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Offline Apache

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« on: March 17, 2003, 10:41:28 AM »
I’m curious to hear from members of the National Guard and law enforcement, both active and former. If martial law were ever declared, what would you do? How far would you go? What would be “crossing the line?”

I know, a little on the conspiratorial side, and the question is vague, but I can’t help but wonder what some (namely the government) may be thinking in terms of “protecting” us from terrorism.

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Time to water the tree of liberty Apache.
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2003, 10:49:50 AM »
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"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

 Thomas Jefferson


IIRC Toad predicted the possibility of civil war in the US, if Spurious George continues heading towards a police state it will come true.

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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2003, 10:56:05 AM »
Police state?!

I've yet to see anyone here post even one right that they have lost. Typical mud slinging, fear inciting, roadkille.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2003, 10:59:27 AM »
pffff uber tax cuts to the rich causing massive deficiets and huge deficiet spending makes me wanna riot in the streets more.

Offline Apache

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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2003, 11:06:45 AM »
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Originally posted by AKIron
Police state?!

I've yet to see anyone here post even one right that they have lost. Typical mud slinging, fear inciting, roadkille.


I'm assuming  you mean me? I, not once, stated we were in nor heading into, a police state.

My question is one of curiosity. As a former law enforcement officer, I can't think of any reason I would agree to enforce martial law. I was wondering what those in the position that would have to make that decision (to enforce), thought.

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2003, 11:14:20 AM »
I've yet to see anyone here post even one right that they have lost.


so there I was.. playing with my model rockets and these guys in black suits and sunglasses were sitting in a Crown Vic watching me..

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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2003, 11:15:30 AM »
I realized you might think I meant you since you started the thread Apache after I posted. Actually it was Weazel I had in mind when I made my emotional post.
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I'm really enjoying this AKIron.
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2003, 11:17:12 AM »
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Police state?!

I've yet to see anyone here post even one right that they have lost. Typical mud slinging, fear inciting, roadkille.


Lets go there shall we?

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion


Bush is using OUR taxes to fund Imaginary Invisible Cloud Being insanity that caused 9-11.

If you want to live under a right wing religious government then move to f**king Iran.

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Ari Fliesher told Bill Maher "Watch what you say," for telling the truth.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble

Recently in New York, protest organizers were denied a permit to assemble.

The reason? There were too many people, up to 500,000 were expected.

We've been denied the right to assemble, because too many of us are angry.

Amendment II
...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms


Bush loves guns (and killing) almost as much as he loves tax cuts, so yes, The Second Amendment, so far, is still in effect.

Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace....


Bush has declared a never-ending war, so III doesn't count

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause


Bush has made a mockery of the Fourth Amendment.

He can f**king EXECUTE you if he feels like it.

Do you STILL think we have a Bill of Rights?

Amendment V
No person shall be held ...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;


Another plank in the Constitution devoured by the evil son of a squeak.

There are HUNDREDS of SUSPECTS being held without bail, without being arraigned by a judge to see if there is probable cause, without attorneys and without even a phone call to their family.

Do you think they manage the immigration rolls with more or less competence than they handled eligibility rolls of black voters in Jeb Bush's Florida?

You can't see a difference between that and pre-Bush America?


Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury, ...informed of the nature the accusation;
...witnesses, ...have Counsel for his defence.


Total washout by the Bush goons.

It's an abortion of justice on the most massive scale imaginable, but we don't talk about it, because "then the terrorists would win," if we upheld the Constitution.


Amendment VII includes the phrase the right of trial by jury shall be preserved

In Bush's America, there is no right to a trial by jury.

In Bush's America, you have the right to be jailed on the government's whim.

In Bush's America, you have the right to be executed on the government's whim.

And please, don't say, "But Bush hasn't done any of that."

How would you know?

I'm so old, I remember when the GOP was against a federal government of tyranny and secrecy.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


ha ha
 
Being executed on the government's whim sounds cruel and unusual to me.

Can you make a case that it doesn't?

Amendment IX

Not applicable


Amendment X
The powers ...not delegated to the United States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


The Tenth - Bob Dole's all-time favorite.

Remember that pitiful campaign Bob ran in 1996?

He kept The Tenth on a card in his jacket so he could whip it out whenever he wanted to talk about the powers of the states, which we all know is code talk for "I Wish I Was in Dixie."

The next Republican for president didn't feel that same way about The Tenth Amendment.

He got his father's friends to go before a hardly-impartial Supreme Court and asked them to overturn the Tenth Amendment and appoint Spurious George.

So let's do a re-cap.

#1.We've lost on three counts, but we'll say that's just one down

#2 Has changed, but only to get more guns in people's hands,

#3 Is a peacetime amendment, doesn't apply,

#4 Was a mockery, I should get double for that, but that makes two we've lost

#5 Due process, you don't even get a trial, so that's three fallen Amendments

#6 Speedy, public trial - no chance, that makes four lost Amendments

#7 Trial by jury for common lawsuits, not applicable

#8 Cruel & unusual - that's five Dead Amendments

#9 Not applicable

#10 States rights, that makes six of ten Amendments destroyed by Bush.

9/11 not only knocked the brain and spine out of the average right wing American, apparently it killed the desire for liberty as well.

Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women...when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can do much to help it.


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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2003, 11:17:32 AM »
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Originally posted by hawk220
I've yet to see anyone here post even one right that they have lost.


so there I was.. playing with my model rockets and these guys in black suits and sunglasses were sitting in a Crown Vic watching me..


They always had the right to watch ya, and I bet you can still find a model rocket motor at hobby store nearby. :)
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2003, 11:21:22 AM »
Don't know why I let you get me riled up Weazy, must be the times. I'm better now.
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Re: I'm really enjoying this AKIron.
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2003, 11:23:41 AM »
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Originally posted by weazel


Boy am I stupid.  I don't have the slightest clue what I'm talking about, but I'll continue to spew my propaganda.




I agree.

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2003, 11:25:56 AM »
My understanding is that Martial Law can only be declared if Civil Law Enforcement is unable to operate.

In such a case, I agree with Martial Law.

I don't believe Martial Law = Police State.

I believe Martial Law is a temporary thing to get us past a crisis, a sort of "plan B."
« Last Edit: March 17, 2003, 11:29:16 AM by Gunthr »
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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2003, 11:30:02 AM »
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Originally posted by Oedipus
"Don't know why I let you get me riled up Weazy, must be the times. I'm better now."

 He answered your question.  IMO I did too. But that's the fluff off you give? You're not interested in debate, discussion or using facts. You just want to sling quippy, emotional, pseudo-patriotic fervor "one liners" about.

 What's next. You'll call me a flag burner and accuse me of being hell bent on taking away your right to bear arms?

Oed


Everything he posted was vehement opinion, none of which was worth responding to.

Tell me Oed, what right have you personally lost?

Much, if not all, of what Weazel posts is untrue and he never backs it up when called on it. It was a weak moment for me to respond to him.  
« Last Edit: March 17, 2003, 11:32:45 AM by AKIron »
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2003, 11:30:05 AM »
Looks like fear is alive and well in the hearts of some.

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2003, 11:39:02 AM »
our present commander in desertion scares the hell out of me.