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Offline Wanker

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As a fellow liberal, you and I have walked together on this board arm-in-arm in the crusade against the right-wing reactionaries that permeate Aces High.

As defenders of the enlightened, we have survived numerous jokes about blow jobs in the white house, and the "selection" of an even bigger joke, who is now a resident of the white house.

With that being said, I must say that no matter what you think of President-Select Bush, the truth is that his administration is taking the correct action in Iraq.

When you're dealing with a dictatorship that has shown a propensity for trying to subdue it's neighbors(Iran, Kuwait) and willfuly uses weapons of mass destruction on it's own people(the Kurds), it's clear that the world would be that much safer in the long run to have him removed from power.

You may disagree with how its accomplished, but it needs to get done. Left alone, Saddam would eventually either use weapons of mass destruction himself against some country again, or he would sell or give them to terrorists, who would then use them to attack Americans in America.

Don't believe me? Read your history books, and learn from them. While it is clear that Hitler's motives were based primarily on revenge for the injustices of the Versailles Treaty of 1919, it is not so much of a stretch to compare the two situations and view them as similar. We are in a similar situation as the British and French found themselves in 1936, when Hitler gambled and re-militarized the Rhineland. The major difference between the late 1930's and now, is that the agressor nation(Germany) was spending huge amounts of money on their military, and it was becoming more powerful than the two armed forces that could've(and should've) done something to stop it. Today, our military far outclasses Iraq's, and the eventual conclusion of the war is not in doubt.

To sit idly by and let Saddam continue to build weapons of mass destruction for later use against the world would be criminal. To be sure, Iraq poses little or not threat to the world at large today. But since America, Great Britain, Australia and Portugal seem to have learned from history, it is up to us to lead the way and do what needs to be done.

War is a horrible thing. I am no war monger, and in fact I don't even own a gun. I am a tree hugger and whale saver to the core. But I am also a student of history, and a realist.

This war is neccessary, and the sooner we get it over with, the sooner Iraq can re-join the world as a prosperous, peaceful nation.  Liberals and Conservatives alike need to join arm-in-arm and support the troops as they are about to do what needs to be done to protect the future of the world.

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well done
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2003, 08:51:25 AM »
But, being a war monger and owning a gun don't have anything to do with one another.

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2003, 08:52:51 AM »
Just because you disagree with a war, doesn't mean you don't support the troops.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2003, 08:55:19 AM »
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As defenders of the enlightened...

If liberals are so enlightened why do you need to post a letter like this?  Don't you think your fellow liberals can figure it out for themselves?  Maybe they aren't quite as enlightened as you are.

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2003, 08:59:20 AM »
Well said banana, and dowding.

As one of the biggest pinkos on this board, I share your sentiments.  

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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2003, 09:04:09 AM »
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As one of the biggest pinkos on this board, I share your sentiments.

banana and Dowding have posted very different sentiments.

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2003, 09:08:08 AM »
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banana and Dowding have posted very different sentiments.


and as a true lib, he agrees with both :)
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2003, 09:10:48 AM »
Well said banana, well said.

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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2003, 09:13:04 AM »
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If liberals are so enlightened why do you need to post a letter like this? Don't you think your fellow liberals can figure it out for themselves? Maybe they aren't quite as enlightened as you are.


First of all, I didn't *need* to post my opinion. I wanted to.

I have no doubt that most liberals(and even most conservatives) are enlightened enough to see the logic in this Iraqi situation. But some liberals are choosing to side with the "No blood for oil" dimwits who have no idea what this war is really about--the future safety of the free world.

My post is an attempt to get them to think a little harder about the consequences of letting Saddam continue in power.


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Just because you disagree with a war, doesn't mean you don't support the troops.


That's true, I suppose. But IMO, in this case...those of you who don't support the choice of physical disarmament of Saddam, are sadly short-sided. Diplomacy didn't work in this case. We tried, but it didn't work. Time to let the military handle it now.

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2003, 09:17:11 AM »
Oedipus, I didn't label you. If you don't consider yourself a liberal, that's fine ith me. Only you know *what* you really are.

I'm just stating an opinion of those who admit being "blood for oil" liberals.

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2003, 09:23:41 AM »
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Originally posted by Oedipus
And that's my final piece.  I've not looked at other topics to see where I might reply because it's futile and only going to continue the b.s and mudslinging.  After listening to that speach last night the wind is out of my sail and I don't even feel up to finishing the decent discussions with Kanth or AKIron.

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No problem so far as I'm concerned Oedipus. I do hope you have/will read the facts regarding the patriot act for yourself rather than believe what someone like Weazel spews.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2003, 11:00:47 AM »
bush has gone from the worlds largest coalition to the smallist in two years. the guy could and has screwed up a wet dream. this war will be no different. god bless the troops but dethrone the deserter responsable for the mess. this war wasent nessasary its bushes bumbling idiocy that make it nessasary. i wont accept and argument we should pretend it was for the best all along, it wasen't

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2003, 11:14:28 AM »
We have plenty of oil and haven't needed Iraqi oil for many years.  Gas prices may be high, but not because there is a shortage of oil for purchase.  The argument that we're making war on Iraq for its oil doesn't hold water.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2003, 11:25:42 AM »
banana.  Its amazing how Liberals and Conservatives seem to be able to put aside their differences and pull together somewhere in the middle when a crisies erupts.

As a conservative, I share your opinion that at this point, the only important thing is getting in and out with as few casualties as possible and the realization of our goal.

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2003, 11:26:15 AM »
I'll give a view from the other side.  I am a war monger.  I would  fully support armed intervention in North Korea to stop their nuke program.  I would fully support immediate air strikes to disable NK's two reactors which will be able to support the creation of several devices per year.  And I would support any ground war that would follow those airstrikes as a result of NKs invasion of SK.  NK has the technology to produce nukes and has delivery systems capable of striking the US and our Pacific allies.  They are an immediate and credible threat.

I do own a gun (several in fact) and I've drawn one on another person with full intent to pull the trigger had he continued to threaten my safety.  I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon and I frequently do.

However, this war against Saddam is contrived and is unnecessary at this time.  Saddam has been militarily marginalized for the past 12 years.  Saddam is no where near Hitler's level...Hitler had a plan and twisted vision.  To say that Saddam is anywhere near Hitter's league disrespects the millions who died at that madman's hands.  Is Saddam a cruel leader who uses all the tactics of a dictator to stay in power...yes.  Should we be the ones to overthrow him for the sake of the Iraqi people...no.  If they don't like him, let them do it.  It has been done before in the region.  The Iranian people did not like the Shah (who was arguably just as cruel a dictator as Saddam) and they revolted.  I don't like the theocratic government that replaced the Shah, nor do I like that during the revolution our embassy was invaded...but I do respect that the people made their own choice about their leadership and did not require an outside country make the choice for them.

If you want to compare Saddam to a historical figure, then the closest simile is Muammar Kadafi.  He was once an major threat, but he was slapped down and he has been a marginal player ever since.  Saddam has already been slapped and he is also a marginal player and will continue to be one.  We have not been sitting by idly...we have imposed and enforced and can continue to enforce UN 1441.  I agree we have not done as good a job as we could at enforcing 1441, but if given a chance to do better at enforcing the UN sanctions he will continue to be a toothless junk yard dog.

If you say that Saddam has WMD...where is the proof.  And don't point to a set of vague intercepted messages that may indicate WMD if you interpret the wording in a certain way.  I want a smoking gun.  And so far the UN inspectors have not been able to find it and the Bush Administration is either unwilling or unable to present it.

We are a nation whose judicial system is not built on imposing penalties based on suspicion alone.  Nor is it based on penalizing someone who has not yet committed a crime but might commit a crime because people think he is a bad person.  And unfortunately that frequently means that we can only act after a crime takes place.  Why are we invading a country that is only suspected, based on very weak evidence, of having WMD.

If you say that he may secretly have WMD and give them to terrorists...tell me who Saddam would possibly trust enough to give WMD?  Weapons which could just as easily be used against Saddam and Iraq as it could against the US.  Al Queada?  BS...UBL does not like Saddam any more than we do and would be just as likely to use WMD against Saddam as he would against the US.

If you say that this war will deter terrorism you are wrong.  It will increase terrorism.  What would make you think that a war of aggression against an Arab state that Muslims identify as an Islamic country would do anything but incite more Arabs and Muslims against the US and create more terrorists willing to die to kill us?