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Offline ra

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« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2003, 02:07:28 PM »
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Please tell me one group that Saddam would trust enough to pass WMD for them to use against the US? It ain't Al Qaeda...they are just as likely to use some of the material provided against Saddam and he knows that.

No, he knows that Al Qaeda would love to kill him and his entire family, and install an Islamic government.  But they would never use WMD against a Moslem Arab country, even to depose it's leader.  You ca't use WMD to target one man, you target an entire city.  There would be way too much loss of Moslem life.  They would lose all the support they have been trying to gain over the years.  They would only use WMD against Israel, the US, and the West.

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« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2003, 02:14:39 PM »
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Originally posted by Torque


We all sat around while Britian inserted Israel a Jewish state in a Arab dominated part of the world so Britian could protect the Suez canal and it's just newly found oil reservers in the middle-east.

The world is a hypocritical dirty little place.

Find that morale high ground when you can!


Hmm, from what I know, the Brits tried their best to keep Jewish emigrants away from Palestine, fought a nasty little guerilla war with the militant Jews over that.  Then they turned it the whole place over to the United Nations, where partition was decided.

Heck during World War II, Britain and the Allies attacked the neutral French fleet, occupied neutral French territory in North Africa, occupied Iraq, deposed the reigning Shah in Persia (Iran), and occupied that country.  All to aid the war effort against Hitler.  Churchill, as First Sea Lord, was even planning to invade neutral Norway, to cut off German iron ore imports from Sweden when the Baltic froze, when Hitler beat him to that, in part to spoil that very threat from the British.  Would the Allies have won without these violations of international law?  I would guess so, but I can't be sure.  Do these infractions make the Allies as bad or worse than Hitler?  Certainly not, in my view.  In view of these infractions, would you have been neutral in a war between Hitler and the Allies?

Should Saddam be able to hide behind legality, sovereignty and technicalties when he is the poster boy for the rule of force and fear?  I think not, and I think the world will be that much better a place with him out of power.  I hope that more of the world's dictators feel a bit insecure, that might modify their behavior a bit for the better.  But Saddam is alone in being a charged and convicted aggressor, who was put on parole and repeatedly and seriously flouted the cease-fire conditions.  He had never anticipated the conjunction of Bush and Blair, and his pack of tame worms were not able to shield him.  Fini.  Requiscat in Gehenna.
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« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2003, 02:14:41 PM »
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Originally posted by ra
You ca't use WMD to target one man, you target an entire city.


Or an Iraqi army garrison.

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There would be way too much loss of Moslem life.  They would lose all the support they have been trying to gain over the years.

And what religion are members of the Northern Alliance that the Taliban and Al Qaeda were fighting in Astudmuffinanistan.  How many Muslim lives were lost there?

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« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2003, 02:18:26 PM »
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Unless there is some sort of miracle within the next day or two, there's going to be an invasion of Iraq.

You never know, Saddam may just haul butt for Libya with the best 72 virgins he can find and his $20 Billion stashed in Switzerland. He may decide to take the real and ready virgins over the ephemeral promised ones. We can hope, but it isn't likely.

Bush might back down; but it isn't likely.

So, there's going to be a war almost certainly.

The who, what, where, when and why and historical recriminations have all be thrashed about soundly. Nothing really left to say that would be new.

So now it is time.

Time for people and nations to decide whether they stand with the dictator or not.


It would be interesting to see what would happen if Saddam did go in exile. I'll bet you this: If he did the US would add yet another more harsh demand in order to avoid war. Bush and his team has wanted this war from the beginning. In each demand they've given against Iraq, they expected noncompliance, hence the justifiable invasion. What Bush and team didn't expect was compliance with the new demands. We finally got the UN unlimited access for inspections that were supposed to be sooo important to our security (remember it was our reasoning for them), so we get the all important inspections. But it is still not good enough. Yet we haven't found the stockpile we say that are there. Seems we're afraid after the UN finally goes over the whole country and doesn't find any, we won't have the justification for our war. Bottom line, Bush doesn't want peace in this case, he never has. BTW, hope you all enjoy the tax hike we're going to endure to support our ever increasing war on terror.

BTW Toad, to answer your dictator question, no I do not support Bush's skewed policies regarding Iraq. War is the absolute last ditch resort after all else has failed. Apparantly, the laws of physics (time-wise) just isn't good enough for our president.
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« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2003, 02:36:04 PM »
Saburo..You are full of toejam..


We did  not get "unlimited Acces"

why did they say no to U2 fligths at first? Huh? yes they did after huh?

And what about Scientist?

Whatever,,its usless diddly all of you who beleive that toejam


THE UN IS NOT THERE TO FIND WEAPONS>>>>>

THEY WERE THERE TO SEE THE PROOF OF THERE DESTRUction..Plain and simple..

And diddly You again..If Saddam left there would be no war...

WHAT THE diddly DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT 1441.!!!

Immediate..unconditional....I F you dont see that then diddly You

UAV's Long Range Missels..Liquid filled War heads..Yes .....You are a Blind idiot...diddly You

All of you who say Bush is going to war no matter what..areso blind and diddlying stupid.

So I guess the 45 other countries who agree are "warmongers too"? O ya its the pressure we put on them..

Yes I guess the 70& of Americans who agree are wrong too...

Owell...as I say...."diddly You"

Im not backing up toejam...beleive what you want..

WHAAA Taxes are going up...BREAK YOURSELF you winnie squeak or move your bellybutton to france..PEace Brother..Peace..Cant we all just get along

diddly You
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« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2003, 02:41:37 PM »
P.S.



diddly you ahead of time

and You align your self with Daschle...diddly YOU AND HIM..HEs a maggot....

the Democratic Party is a sinking sack of toejam  Thx god let them speak....

no wonder they lost there bellybutton 2/3 's of there seats

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« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2003, 02:55:06 PM »
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
bush has gone from the worlds largest coalition to the smallist in two years. the guy could and has screwed up a wet dream. this war will be no different. god bless the troops but dethrone the deserter responsable for the mess. this war wasent nessasary its bushes bumbling idiocy that make it nessasary. i wont accept and argument we should pretend it was for the best all along, it wasen't


Good grief Lord Dolf...get a spell checker, fer cryin out loud;)

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« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2003, 03:00:42 PM »
Uh, Lord Dolf, forget what I said bout th spell checker. I shoulda read all the other posts...lol. Too many others worse than you.:eek:

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« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2003, 03:07:26 PM »
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
Saburo..You are full of toejam..


We did  not get "unlimited Acces"

why did they say no to U2 fligths at first? Huh? yes they did after huh?

And what about Scientist?

Whatever,,its usless diddly all of you who beleive that toejam


THE UN IS NOT THERE TO FIND WEAPONS>>>>>

THEY WERE THERE TO SEE THE PROOF OF THERE DESTRUction..Plain and simple..

And diddly You again..If Saddam left there would be no war...

WHAT THE diddly DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT 1441.!!!

Immediate..unconditional....I F you dont see that then diddly You

UAV's Long Range Missels..Liquid filled War heads..Yes .....You are a Blind idiot...diddly You

All of you who say Bush is going to war no matter what..areso blind and diddlying stupid.

So I guess the 45 other countries who agree are "warmongers too"? O ya its the pressure we put on them..

Yes I guess the 70& of Americans who agree are wrong too...

Owell...as I say...."diddly You"

Im not backing up toejam...beleive what you want..

WHAAA Taxes are going up...BREAK YOURSELF you winnie squeak or move your bellybutton to france..PEace Brother..Peace..Cant we all just get along

diddly You
BiGB
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Is this kind of profanity allowed?

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« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2003, 03:08:13 PM »
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P.S.



diddly you ahead of time

and You align your self with Daschle...diddly YOU AND HIM..HEs a maggot....

the Democratic Party is a sinking sack of toejam  Thx god let them speak....

no wonder they lost there bellybutton 2/3 's of there seats


Or this?

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« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2003, 03:12:19 PM »
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Is this kind of profanity allowed?

No, now you will be banned.

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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2003, 03:33:19 PM »
LOL ra :)

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« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2003, 03:38:25 PM »
Geez, thanks for destroying what was a stimulating discussion. All you potty mouths can just leave this thread and go somewhere, thanks.

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« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2003, 03:41:20 PM »
this langauge just emphasis the feelings i have for soem of these'people"..

what your virgin ears hurt..owell..

I have to laff and hate at the same time..

If not i would snap and go kill the hippis down at the "anti usa " rallies


yawn...............


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« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2003, 03:44:55 PM »
Yer such a banana!!!  




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