Author Topic: Either for/against (Read 1283 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:47:00 AM »

put up or shut up

send your troops & hardware not your well wishes...

ra · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:54:07 AM »

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and RA his jealousy.....

Please go on SLO, I'd like to hear more.

Dowding · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:56:10 AM »

OK, Toad, so when they were largely convicted murderers and thieves, centuries ago, people didn't like to entertain them. But do you think they didn't fully support them when they were out there fighting? Did they wish harm by them?

Typical "it's all them liberal dem's fault" reasoning Wotan. Piss-poor apologist roadkill. But if it makes you feel better...

The point still stands - you've got absolutely no right whatsoever to judge whether I can support my country's troops or not. I have two friends who are officers in the Army right now. If I believed in god I'd be praying they get home in one piece. And that goes for all the guys out there.

-tronski- · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:10:07 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
This is such crap. All of you swoon how it will be great that iraqis will be freed from their dicator but not one of you supported americas plans to get rid of him - instead you only wanted to guarantee sadam husseins rule through 12 more yearts of UN gossiping like old ladies.

Your wishes of sympathy ring hollow at this time...

You really are a small minded tosser...you probably don't even realise our soldiers are there, and even better for us probably.
As one of the ONLY three western armed forces deployed, I am quite right in my concern about our diggers there.

I am completely against the war, but I'll be buggered if that excludes my desire that none of our diggers are killed in it.

Tronsky

AKIron · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:10:34 AM »

Pearls before swine Toad.

Toad · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:11:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
OK, Toad, so when they were largely convicted murderers and thieves, centuries ago, people didn't like to entertain them. But do you think they didn't fully support them when they were out there fighting? Did they wish harm by them?

Come now, Dowding.

"Tommy" was written a little over 100 years ago.

I doubt they were "largely convicted murderers and thieves" then and I suspect Kipling would be the first to call you on what you said.

Remember, this started with your remark

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you guys are from a nation that treated its own soldiers like pariahs, not so long ago. Worse than toejam".

Well? It's that "history thing" tripping you up.

Again, I think Kipling would be among the first to disagree with you. "Tommy" IS about treating soldiers like pariahs, at least in peacetime. It also highlights the hypocrisy of the attitude change once the drums begin to roll.

Wow. Sort of applies to some of the postings I've seen in this thread!

SLO · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:18:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
put up or shut up

send your troops & hardware not your well wishes...

wish we could.....but most of our limited assest are in Afganistan already.....

we had 3 Aegis class warships heading to the gulf area....but I think the Prime Minister called em back.....gonna have to research that 1.....

since Action is coming....and WE have to support our neighbors....my PM decided to stick to the UN issue.....I think that was a mistake....but since Bush has been in office...he prefered dealing with Mexico...instead of his biggest trade partner.....Canada....which he pretty much ignored......I think the old PM is jabbin a left hand at Bush

the "put up or shut up" statement was a little much.....calm down eagler.

Dowding · « **Reply #22 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:34:19 AM »

Are you denying the 'noose or the shilling' principle wasn't in operation during the late 19th century? It was written over a hundred years ago - a different world, a different time. People were genuinely afraid of the troops, because they knew that many had very dodgy histories.

When Vietnam was in full swing, man was on the moon, was watching TV and the conscripts were everyday kids.

I think there is a difference there.

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It also highlights the hypocrisy of the attitude change once the drums begin to roll.

Wow. Sort of applies to some of the postings I've seen in this thread!

I've always supported British troops. Afterall, some of them are friends. I may not agree with their mission, but I hope for a zero casualty figure.

Toad · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:41:21 AM »

LOL.

Dowding, you're backpedaling faster than a tennis player at Wimbledon getting away from the net.

Look, it's obvious Britain treated their soldiers like pariahs as little as ~100 years ago. So what you said was just........ wrong.

Hey, it happens.

As for the hypocrisy, why do you always assume I am pointing at you?

Review the posters in this thread and see if any other candidates pop into your mind.

Unless you are dealing with some kind of hidden guilt... and then you'd probably better see Doc Hangtime. He has an amazing clinical approach right now and I'm not really into that psychoanalysis stuff.

AKIron · « **Reply #24 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:45:16 AM »

Dowding, the arrogant, ignorant, and spineless scum that derided our troops then are the same, or at least the same type of folks that'll probably do it again. America, land of diversity.

Dowding · « **Reply #25 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:50:18 AM »

Because your post was directed at me, was it not?

Besides, it gives me something to argue against.

Carry on!

Naso · « **Reply #26 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:15:11 AM »

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Originally posted by ra
I can tell you it is even more awful when it is your country going in.

WE know very well how is a war IN your country, a war that costed 20 and more millions deaths.

You ave nothing to teach about it.

ra · « **Reply #27 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:15:31 AM »

OK, I've re-read some of the posts in this thread and would like to retract my posts, FWIW.

I went bonkers when I read 'I just wish things would've gone differently... as do french, germans, etc... ", which I took as an expression of solidarity with the French and German governments, which is probably not what Cyrano was saying. I am not happy with the way the leaders of those two governments opposed the war. I believe that the troops we are expressing concern for are facing a worse situation because of it.

Another thing which confused me is I don't understand the need to express support for our troops by those who are against the war. No one but a moron would assume that being against the war means being against the troops, and such morons are best ignored.

That said, would anyone support sending the following message to an anonymous allied soldier sitting in his tent in Kuwait waiting to go to war:

"Dear Soldier,

You are being sent into an unjust, unecessary, and idiotic military confrontation by a crazy, moronic, oil-hungry cowboy (or one of his lapdogs) against a long-suffering nation which will now suffer much more as you follow your orders. I hope you are not hurt during this evil enterprise".

If I were against this war, as I would be if I did not believe that Hussein probably has WMD which he could funnel to our 'other' enemies, then I would now be most vociferously posting against Bush and the other leaders who are forcing this war to happen. But I would not feel any need to express support for our troops. Anyone who assumed that I had ill will toward the troops could kiss my ass. And any post I made in support of the troops would fall into the 'dear soldier' category above.

Out.

ra

ra · « **Reply #28 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:19:21 AM »

Naso,

Forgive me for not knowing already, but your location says Italy. Which war did Italy lose 20 million in?

midnight Target · « **Reply #29 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:24:58 AM »

Amazing how things can degenerate in here.

Support for the troops is a good thing.

nuff said.

(I love Kipling BTW - "If" is posted on the wall in my office.)