Author Topic: Either for/against (Read 1213 times)

Fridaddy · « **on:** March 19, 2003, 01:48:29 AM »

The US Military Chaplain Corps has a comment:
Pray for the men, not the mission.

It allows them to be neutral and still minister to their charges (the men and women on the line)

On this eve of battle it matters not what side your on, pro or against....

Support the troops!

CyranoAH · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2003, 05:02:33 AM »

I doubt there's anyone here against the troops. I ain't.

I just wish things would've gone differently... as do french, germans, etc...

If you think anti-war means anti-american, think again. I stated long ago I really enjoy visiting the states and being among americans, just that I don't agree with the policies of the current government regarding Iraq.

Once the first shot is fired, you bet all the people here are going to wish for a quick victory and few casualties.

Having said that, I must admit the anti-french threads I have grown tired of. You could clearly see some of the bashing was not friendly and showed hatred more than disagreement.

I hope the war is over soon enough, and not many people die in it, so we can all move on and forget about it.

At least the Iraqis will get rid of a dictator...

Daniel

Naso · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2003, 05:05:52 AM »

Almost my feelings, Cyrano.

Dowding · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2003, 05:33:55 AM »

Absolutamento, Cyrano.

-tronski- · « **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2003, 06:14:12 AM »

good thoughts Cyrano

Tronsky

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2003, 06:44:20 AM »

This is such crap. All of you swoon how it will be great that iraqis will be freed from their dicator but not one of you supported americas plans to get rid of him - instead you only wanted to guarantee sadam husseins rule through 12 more yearts of UN gossiping like old ladies.

Your wishes of sympathy ring hollow at this time...

bfreek · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2003, 07:19:14 AM »

My nephew needs your prayers, even tho he's armed to the teeth with one of these.

http://www.geocities.com/boneyfreak@sbcglobal.net/

ra · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2003, 07:21:00 AM »

As usual, Euros are taking both sides of the issue. If it was up to them the status quo would be just fine.

Batz · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2003, 07:28:18 AM »

yup ra I dont think anyone can possibly take them seriously.

I mean if Bush is like Hitler going to war with Iraq to kill civilians and steal oil and its so obvious to the enlightened Euro libs then what does that make his troops?

Naso · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:01:11 AM »

Thank you for your kind and wise words, Grunhertz, ra and Batz/Wotan.

I love you too.

I ask myself why you are not there to Kill'em all, your bloodlust is not enough to put your life at risk, better to send others to do what you wish and risk their life, instead?

What let you think that someone of us will be happy for even a single death of a US/UK soldier?

Do you really believe we are like you?

Dowding · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:08:21 AM »

Soldiers from my nation are in the desert right this minute.

Don't dare claim some diddlying monopoly on 'sympathy'. You pathetic individuals. Ironically, you guys are from a nation that treated its own soldiers like pariahs, not so long ago. Worse than toejam.

I don't ever remember that happening in my country - even when the troops were largely convicted thieves and murderers, 200 years ago.

Perhaps a little historical guilt is creeping into the equation?

"Let's overcompensate for the piss poor treatment we gave our lads 30 years ago". That kind of thing.

ra · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:17:44 AM »

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Do you really believe we are like you?

No.

And who has ever seriously expressed bloodlust for this war? Posting pics of weapons or jokes about Hussein taking a missile up his butt is not bloodlust. The reason I and many Americans can't take the Euro stance seriously is because you pretend to be better humans than us, smart, well-balanced, not prone to crazy emotional reactions. But you don't bring anything to this discussion except pious hand-wringing about how awful war is. I can tell you it is even more awful when it is your country going in. If Europeans think that America is going in as aggressors against a soveriegn state whose people will suffer needlessly, then you should not 'support the troops'. In fact you should support Iraqi troops who are defending their fellow citizens from the aggression.

ra

Batz · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:34:32 AM »

Our Nation didnt treat its vets that way. It was the predominat left wing degenerate counter culture that portrayed these guys as baby killers.

The same type of folks who are "anti-war" now.

I had 2 uncles who were in Vietnam. Ones in wheelchair. Guilt is the last thing I think about when seeing him.

Vietnam was another one of those pointless democrat wars statrted by a liberal. Dont forget that either.

ra summoned up the rest

Toad · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:43:18 AM »

POINT:

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Originally posted by Dowding
I don't ever remember that happening in my country - even when the troops were largely convicted thieves and murderers, 200 years ago.

COUNTERPOINT

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TOMMY
by Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

Not that I have a dog in the fight in this particular thread.

Still it seems Dowding may not remember it but Kipling saw it.

SLO · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:46:31 AM »

Thought I was gonna read a positive thread......

won't happen I see....

Started out well enough.....

In short....stop bein amazinhunks....SUPPORT our friends....

cool.....

until Grun showed his frustrations......

and RA his jealousy.....

people expressed there opinions....now that time is over.....soon some are gonna die...even though none will be from my country....but my neighbors.

~~to those about to die.....I hope not....but war is hell~~