Author Topic: Pvt Sweet - USMC (Read 870 times)

Swoop · « **on:** March 19, 2003, 07:48:03 AM »

Was watching CNN last night as the build up goes on.......they had a 15 min piece on one PFC Sweet, serving with the US Marine Corps in Kuwait.

What a shrecking wuss.

The story starts with PFC Sweet being carried into the officers enclosure on a gurny cos he was feeling faint during a route march. Complains he cant carry as much as the other Marines, claims he's missing his family since he's had no contact with em in....oh about a week. Apparently this happens a lot to Sweet.

There's interviews with his CO who gives this big long speech about Marines coming home and pulling as a team and crap like that, then his sgt comes on and says he wont give up on PFC Sweet and all kindsa other tosh.

Is this what the USMC is really like?

Christ almighty you'd never see a British lad whining like a gir-rel on the front line, a Brit like that never would have MADE it to the front line in the first place.

And WTF is up with interviewing a wash out wuss like that anyway? He'll be forever remembered as "that wuss Sweet" and will prolly get a spot on Oprah.

P.S. Um....of course if this report only went out in Holland and no-one in the US will ever see it......then you guys will have no idea what I'm talking about.

Batz · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:02:43 AM »

yup we are all wussies in the US compared to to you Euro "uber mensch".

As much as Dubya's propaganda machine keeps reports like that off the US air wave we can bet that an anti-US Euro television show will only deliver the "real truth". If the focus on a guy like Sweet then that must mean the rest are just wussies as well.

davidpt40 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:34:39 AM »

I thought boot camp was supposed to turn you into an insane robot?

Swoop · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2003, 08:37:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Batz
As much as Dubya's propaganda machine keeps reports like that off the US air wave we can bet that an anti-US Euro television show will only deliver the "real truth".

CNN is a Euro channel now?

And focusing on Sweet is my whole point. Why on earth would CNN want to do a piece on a wash out like him when they can report on any one of the thousands of other Marines who AREN'T complaining like a girl.

batdog · « **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:08:17 AM »

I've seen TABED guys and so called PT studs not make roadmarchs/ruckruns etc. Sometimes it happens.

Sometimes it takes more to make a soldier...to forge him into something good. As long as he's motivated and doesnt quit work w/his ass. He'll get there.

If he's sniveling... they'll break him of it and change is attitude or he simply wont last.

Drunky · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2003, 12:35:36 PM »

When recruiting and boot camp are more about training again instead of numbers and percentages, then you will have better soldiers.

When pansy-waisted liberal mothers stop crying to their Senator that they train her son too hard 'cause little Johnny writes her letters saying how mistreated he is, then you will have better soldiers.

When soldiers are trained for war (with as much realism as possible) instead of cutting slack because someone might get hurt, then you will have better soldiers.

There was a time when ships were wooden and the men were steel.

Unfortunately, now it's the opposite.

Batz · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2003, 12:39:45 PM »

If it was shown in Europe only then it was most likely designed for a target audience.

By focusing on Sweet it reinforced the fat lazy weak American stereotype.

Either that or all marines are wussies; take your pick.

Arlo · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2003, 12:56:17 PM »

You are actually confused by this? *chuckle*

First you must learn about American TV. "ATYPICAL" keeps the viewers attention much more than typical. I don't think the BBC has learned this, for the most part.

Now ... while I'm sure there isn't a single Royal Marine that isn't a pansey arsed momma's boy that, when suddenly faced with the reality of his chosen career path, finds himself suddenly revealing his true self ....

wait .... hehehe .... there probably does need to be a "BBCNN".

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Why on earth would CNN want to do a piece on a wash out like him when they can report on any one of the thousands of other Marines who AREN'T complaining like a girl.

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Charon · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:01:51 PM »

There are screw ups anywhere. I hope this guy was in a support role, and can't imagine he hasn't been toejamcanned if he's in a combat unit.

On the other hand, I was a big, somewhat heavy guy during basic (185 lbs lol). However, during the 18-mile out-of-the-field road march with full pack a bunch of the high metabolism guys -- better overall athletes for sure -- dropped out. I ended up giving the last of my water away to somebody else. It's odd how different bodies are adept at different exertions.

For push ups, look to the short guys with the good upper body strength. I knew a captain once that could literally do hundreds of regulation push ups without breaking a sweat.

Charon

Swoop · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:07:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
By focusing on Sweet it reinforced the fat lazy weak American stereotype.

Actually no, PFC Sweet is Hispanic. One of these 18 year olds who thinks he can grow a moustache, you know the type.....

And Charon, sure looked like a front line job to me, although the report didnt mention the unit.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:11:23 PM »

Aye - different body types react differently to the same situations.

During OCS, the fastest guy in our company was 5'1 and wieghed about 125 pounds. He would run the 3 mile PFT in around 15 minutes... sick...

The pullup guy was about 5'6 and about as wide in the shoulders as he was tall - he could bang out dead hangs all day.

The football player/body building types were the first to go - they ususally lasted about a week before they were seriously injured, and none of them could run.

I was pretty middle of the road, 6'0, 175 pounds, could do the 20 deadhangs and could do regulation situps all day... but I sucked at running. I dont think I ever broke 19 minutes in the 3 mile. Humps were also a weakness for many, including me. I prefered running 5 miles to a 5 mile route step. My shins (splints) would be on fire after about 500 yards... must have been the way I walked, I dunno.

In any event, it was usually the case in my platoon that the bigger you were and the more "pretty muscles" you had, the sooner you left with a proken bone or a ripped muscle.

The small guys were all tanks. 120-145 pounds and they could do everything.

batdog · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:29:45 PM »

Its all about conditioning. I'm 205 w/around 9 percent body fat now. I can do 100+ PU's no sweat, and 20+ PU's easy. If I had to run 6min or even 9min miles at this moment for more than 1 mile I'd be screwed. I can prob crank out 50+ situps...but even w/nice abs... I couldnt max them.

I use to max the run,PU and SU. I wieghed about 155-75 then (gained size w/time in). I will say it took about 2yrs in before I could max.

I could max it again w/8weeks though at the 36 age group though..LOL.

Martlet · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:43:25 PM »

It's mental. Strictly mental. You can carry what you want if you decide to do it. Obviously there are limits, but the marines aren't entering this guy into a power lifting contest. He is carrying a standard marine issue pack.

My girlfriend could carry that. He just doesn't want to be there.

Charon · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:43:39 PM »

I maxed sit-ups, did all right in the 2-mile run and all right in the push-ups after I adjusted my form a little. It was funny watching the guys who had run track in HS start running sub five-minute -miles (as I remember - it was amazing to me at the time). I could hump pretty well though, I suppose my athletic style would be described as: "pack mule"

It would take me at least 3 months of heavy effort to even get in that ball park today (even adjusted for age), if my ankles etc. held out. Ten years of sitting on your bellybutton for a living can be dangerous if you let it get out of hand. At 38, though, you realize that you start running out of time to get healthy if you don't do something about it.

Charon

Rasker · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:52:14 PM »

the best women can beat the best men at ultamarathons, 50 to 100 miles or more. Something about their greater ability to process body fat as fuel