Author Topic: Seat of the pants.... guage ?? (Read 522 times)

SKurj · « **on:** March 20, 2003, 05:34:01 PM »

Ok..

Any of yyou who fly, or have ridden a roller coaster, know you do not have to look for a little guage in the cockpit to know you are pulling g's. I'd imagine more experienced pilots, especially aerobatic, or fighter pilots can tell the difference between 2, 4 and 6 g.... And.. I'd bet they could tell the difference with their eyes closed.. and while just blacking out...

I'd like to see some other feedback to indicate to the virtual pilots how many g he is pulling...
The cockpit guage is all well and good if you are not in combat.. I'd like to see something displayed onscreen whether you are blacked out or not, no matter which direction you are looking, showing at least an approximate idea of how many g's you are pulling.

Perhaps an indicator line running up the side of the screen and a pointer... or a small coloured circle in a lower corner (or draggable by user) of the screen which changes colour based on how many g you are currently pulling.. and these would be displayed no matter which view, or state you are in.

We can't get much feedback from a 2d screen and a set of speakers, this just might increase the level a little bit.

SKurj

mjolnir · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2003, 01:57:47 AM »

The problem you're going to run into with this idea is all the realism folks are going to scream about there being a HUD in a WWII plane. Because that's essentially what you're asking for. I understand it's to simulate what the pilot could feel, much the same way that the F3 view in bombers simulates the constant communication amongst the crew and the ability to see in all directions. Just a fair warning, in case you forgot your flame retardant vest.

SKurj · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2003, 09:49:07 AM »

Well if you read just a tiny bit closer... the coloured circle could not be confused with a HUD...

Yes I knew there was a chance the HUD thing may come up..

SKurj

BenDover · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2003, 10:20:45 AM »

you pay attention to Gs???

I just listen to the stress sounds to see if i'm pulling too many, although sometimes my b17's wing seems to just flutter off after awhile of pulling the same amount of Gs for about 5-10 seconds:confused:

MadArrow · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2003, 02:06:52 PM »

How about instead of the little head shake thing, your viewpoint just sinks lower or higher in the cockpit?

SKurj · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2003, 05:27:37 PM »

That would kinda work Madarrow but at times you would not be able to tell if what your head was doing...

SKurj

Batz · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2003, 07:34:32 AM »

Thers no need for colored circle you black out at 6 gs if you keep pulling and flying around while blacked out you are a dweeb anyway.

SKurj · « **Reply #7 on:** March 22, 2003, 09:59:52 AM »

How about when I am wounded?
How about when I accidentally held the blackout too long and now wish to recover without using that gamey tactic of hittin autopilot..

Or howabout when I am not lokking forward in the cockpit..
How can I measure how much my head/view point has dropped?

SKurj

Batz · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2003, 01:45:39 PM »

I never fly blacked not knowing Im going.

Its simple 6gs you blackout release stick pressure below 6gs you recover. You dont need auto x for that. Above 12gs in ah you die instantly.

The blackout from wounded thing has always been cheesy and it would be better to get rid of it all together.

As for auto X recover oh well its still less dweeby then a guy pulling his stick to his chest in a 10g circle using the direction indicator to know his position. This is the only person it would be usefull to.

ccvi · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2003, 10:57:24 AM »

That kind of feedback is missing indeed. Creeping down in the cockpit to look at the g-gauge is gamey. Modern aircraft that have and need it mount it where it is easitly visible. It's main use is the non-resettable max-G-pulled needle to identify if the airframe has been overstressed.

I don't think the HUD in AH should display units, except 0G and 1G. A little bar near the gunsight would be perfect.

And no, such a HUD isn't gamey. It just makes up for the lack of feedback in a simulation. Ammo counters, altimeters that set the pressure automatically, gyros that do not lose direction, a speedo with TAS, a magnetic compass without variance or deviation.... THOSE are gamey.

SKurj · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2003, 11:14:42 AM »

Never mentioned a direction indicator... just g indicator...

SKurj

Batz · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2003, 11:43:02 AM »

Why do have to look at the g meter at all?

There is no variation in planes in regards to red out or black out

at 2 gs red out begins ar 2.2 full red

at 5 gs "tunnel vision" at 6 full black out

at 12gs you die

I never have to look at the g meter

While blacked what difference does it make it you are at 6 or 7 gs. Just release back pressure until you come out.

You dont need to "feel" the effects with set numbers like we have.

Do you think a real pilot when black out knows the diference between + or - 1 g?

The only way this is of any use is if you stay in prolonged high g turns where by you dont instantly regain vision.

Which goes back to "pull stick to belly and fly around in a tight hi g black out circle".

Why not something useful like a speed and navigations bar. I mean real pilots would have better sense of speed and why should we have to "look down to read our compess"?

With the 2 above theres no preset conditions that allow you to know whats up.

I know tunnel vision = 5gs

blackout = 6

red = 2

red out = 2.2

All without ever putting "my chin down".

MadArrow · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2003, 12:48:59 PM »

Wouldn't you be able to tell how far you were pushed into the seat by how far the gunsight was misalligned? Weren't they like reflector sights or something?

ccvi · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2003, 01:58:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
Do you think a real pilot when black out knows the diference between + or - 1 g?

Not when blacked out. But the difference between 1G and pulling 2Gs is HUGE.

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Why not something useful like a speed and navigations bar. I mean real pilots would have better sense of speed and why should we have to "look down to read our compess"?

The speed gauge is the one most important gauge in real aircraft. There's no way to feel speed.

edit: compass beeing second, together with a clock to do navigation.

SKurj · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2003, 09:10:36 PM »

When E fighting, having a feel for how many G's you are pulling can come in handy....

Ok maybe blacked out is abit extreme... i guess I really just want a g meter no matter which direction I am looking. Whats the problem with more feedback for the virtual pilot?

Perhaps I'd rather use a 2g pullup as to maximize a zoom, while watching that con out the right side.. I can only assume a fighter pilot would be able to feel the amount of g (approx) he is pulling. 2g would certainly be more efficient than 4-5g. We get 2 sources of feedback for g... a gauge we can only see when looking forward and black/red out. Don't ya think there is a big gap there?

SKurj