area arena based on speed..

[lazs2]

I have allways advocated an area within the arena where early war planes could play to their strengths and have fun... problem comes with.... what is the cutoff... who is early and who is mid and who is late and... the endless bickering that any system for determining it might be .... a cutoff date might leave good planes with no fair place to fight or.... put ultra capable planes in with the less capable.

well... in WB they came up with a "generations" idea. the rps they had was not so much year of introduction... which causes a LOT of controversy... but, it was based on "ability"... parity so to speak. this also added contoversy.

I believe that my area arena concept would work and the way to decide what planes went in what arena would have to do with top speed. you could define "early war" by the top speed. The FM2 would make the cut but not the 51b The FM2 could easily be a substitute for the f4f-3.. the -3 actually performed slightly better. Add the dash 3.

If you get planes in the same area with the same top speeds you will have a lot of parity.

why do we perk the 262? a pee 51 or dee 9 can easily "dodge" it and... the 262 was in service the same time as the 51 or dee 9.... even earlier depending on how ya figure.

really... those who see no problem with pee 51's and dee 9's in the same arena as spit ones and wildcats.... how do you justify perking any plane, much less the 262?
lazs

[gofaster]

I think we should start an arena that has a track, like Reno, and just flat-out race the pylons for perk points.

[dracon]

Geez dude!!  Don't you ever get tired.  You're gonna fall off that stump and hurt yourself one of these days.

The 262's were NOT in service the same time as the P-51's.  The 51's were in service long before the 262's.  The 262's maybe came out about the time the P-51 K's came along.  There were so very few 262's that they should not have been included in WarBirds or here.  I would much rather have had a C-47 in WBs and have a JU 52 here.  Historical Baby!!  But...It's not my decision so no biggie either way.

I like the early planes too.  Love the FM2 very cool ride.  It's in the CT a lot!  I think your account allows you to go in there too.  Or have you been banned?  The CT is great!

I do have a solution......Start your own SIMM and do it your way.

Have you written to hitech and pyro yet??  They are the ones that can help you.  If you do, ask the for the K model too would ya??

LOL

Dracon

[john9001]

lazs is just mad none of the fast planes will play "stallfighter" with him and his turn & burn A/C.

what lazs needs to do is to learn to turn fight in a fast A/C

[narsus]

john he can

[Batz]

Why not an arena based gun type then.

Even run knows hispanos and 50 out range the rest of the gun types.

That would bring more parity then getting rid of fast planes.

Or you can have an arena with slow planes with reduced lethality and artificial buff tough.

Then split into axis/allies.....

[SKurj]

ohh and arena based on jabo capability!!

Keep all the planes capable of doin serious damage to the fields out so rest of us can have fun


SKurj

[dracon]

Well, I really think, in general, the WW2 aircraft are split up by speed, guns, and production dates.  That's not the problem  the problem is the fringe stuff............

Tap! Tap! Tap! Can ya hear me now?

The CT is the answer.  Planes are controlled by speed, guns, and production times.  It is Axis vs Allies.

Although a long time WBs player and very new here, even I figured this out in less that 2 weeks  Wanna rumble?  Go MA!!!  Want a gentlemens Knife fight Quasi-Historically based, go CT.  Yup ya can't always get your favorite ride there but flying other planes tends to broaden you ability base.

Sadly, I look at the numbers and the time I have available to fly before I go into the CT.  If the pilots that have responed to lazs2's multiple posts on this same subject went to the CT, the CT would have more than 100 players in it regularly.  Isn't the CT a big enough area for the Early war planes??   Ya need more?  Now run a carefully controlled RPS in there with the fringe planes eliminated or minimal usage and ya got it.


Dracon

PS:  Match Horse Power and Gun Power and it just naturally matches the planes Historically.   I like that

[Hornet]

if HTC had only ever modeled 1 plane, all these problems would be solved.

[SunKing]

IMHO... I think the only way Laz will be happy is in a H2H arena. where he can dictate the early war plane set, create a map with 2 close bases, and no bombers or ground targets. He will never be happy in the MA unfortunately.

[2stony]

Originally posted by dracon.

The 262's were NOT in service the same time as the P-51's. The 51's were in service long before the 262's. The 262's maybe came out about the time the P-51 K's came along.

The first kill by a Me262 was on July 25, 1944. The P-51Bs came into service in January of 1944 and the P-51D just after D-day. If it's the "D" model we're talking about, I wouldn't call one month "long before".

[wetrat]

If the 262 were unperked, it would cause a huge unbalance in the gameplay. Even the fastest of the prop planes would be to a 262 the same as a zeke is to a mustang.

[hazed-]

It should be based on a given point in the war if it was done and a given SPEED.

basically you choose say May 1943 and say 390 mph(just examples)

then you basically put all aircraft, that in level flight, cannot acheive that or a similar speed.

If you based it solely on speed it could work well in that later models but slower ones could still be used in the special area too.

thinking about it laz this could work on the trinity map if the Vbases in the centre were early war airfields.

Laz how about you canvas the CT people and ask them to set the map up so people can use those vbases to launch early war planes as a test?. Id come and try it and im sure others would, although you dont deserve it after all the crap you've given buff pilots over the years

[-ammo-]

I like it the way it is. I can log in and fly what I want, when I want.  We just need more AC is all.