Author Topic: Bf-109G-2 enabaled ?  (Read 1703 times)

Offline Nifty

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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2003, 08:58:37 AM »
it's the plane.  however, the pilot who flies his inferior plane to it's strengths and against the weaknesses of the superior plane can come out on top.

yeah, any newbie can yank back on the stick of a Spit V to avoid trouble from the rear quarter.  Any one with an inkling of SA and ACM should realize that's what they're doing and adjust accordingly.  Keep it fast if there are other threats to you and extend.  If not, go vertical and roll your lift vector to where the Spit is gonna be.

Having said that, the G-2 is uber if you keep your speed up in this setup.

Having said THAT, the Spit V can handle a 109G-2 in a co-E situation.  It can frustrate most 109 pilots from a disadvantaged situation as well.

Friday night I had some pretty good fights.  At first it sucked in the over 2-1 Allied advantage.  Some whining got a few to jump to Axis and we had a very good fight between 2 and 55 (or 54, whatever it was) the rest of the night.  I ended up switching to Allied and flying with Arlo and Eta45 (or some number, hehe) at the end of the night to re-even out the odds.

I'm sorry, but you're not going to get turning matches with Spits/Hurri's vs 109s if there's a smart pilot in the 109.  That's suicide for the 109.

The 109G-2 was in Tunisia.  So was the 190A-5 (tho the A-4 was more prevalent, ifluff'n I'm not mistaken.)  Both planes should be in this CT setup if this is a historical setup.
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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2003, 09:07:56 AM »
Is it Friday yet?
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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2003, 03:44:44 PM »
shane... now heres a clue for you... No need for me to say it slow tho... it's written...  the clue is... read what I write before you respond.

I never said anything about your flying with or against the numbers... allied or axis ...  who cares?   what I did say was that I was not surprised that you advocated having a plane in an otherwise even set that was much faster and accelerated and climbed better.   You seem to have a real fondness for such behavior.

Now..., for those able to read... if this is all about strict adherance to history then why not just hand out a script and we can all be "WWII re-enacters" ?   I fly for good fights... good fights have some parity.... the ability to dodge 1, maybe 2 or 3 much faster planes with much better climb rates for a long time is not really parity... nor, is it much fun.    For me... it wouldn't be much fun on either side.

but.. if you simply want to re-enact the give and take of one side having the advantage and then the other... well that's fine... just not conducive to good fights.    

Anyhow... It is fine since I can pick and choose when I want to fly the CT..  If you find my opinions contrary to your own or you feel that they are simply wrong... fine... ignore em.   Perhaps the fights and the numbers are just as you  would like them to be and I am merely trying to solve a nonexistent problem.

I do realize that the core of CT players has very different opinions on what is fun than those in the MA...   I admit that I am at a loss in understanding what is fun about some of the setups.  I am serious here... I simply don't understand.    Compounding my missunderstanding is the fact that in the setups I have seen with parity the fights are endless and well attended and the ones (like the current one) that aren't are  not so much so.
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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2003, 04:00:40 PM »
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I do realize that the core of CT players has very different opinions on what is fun than those in the MA...   I admit that I am at a loss in understanding what is fun about some of the setups.  I am serious here... I simply don't understand.    Compounding my missunderstanding is the fact that in the setups I have seen with parity the fights are endless and well attended and the ones (like the current one) that aren't are  not so much so.
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Perusing this thread, it seems like the chief complaint this week has been about ganging.  I've noticed it myself, even when I managed to fly Allied one night.  Generally, I think most of us agree that it isn't much fun to be ganged, even if it is just like The Real War (observation: probably the real war wasn't much fun when you were being ganged, either).

I actually think the ganging is fairly innocent in its inspiration.  I think it flows directly from having squads in a relatively low-numbers arena.  If I were in a squad, I'd want to fly around with my other squad buddies, and help them if they got into trouble, and that would often result in ganging (what, you're supposed to pull off to the side and watch your squad-mate get killed?).  I don't know how this plays out in the MA, because I never fly there, but in the CT, when you may only have 20 guys on each side, the two or three who meet up with a squad are going to get overwhelmed.

On balance, I can put up with it, I suppose, because we usually benefit from having more people in the arena.  Some of us can remember back a year when it was not unusual to have a total of six or eight people (total) in the CT.  I'll put up with the ganging, but I wonder if it wouldn't be possible for the squads to fly in flight strength, rather than squad strength.

- oldman  (PS to Lazs:  You may simply not enjoy historical match-ups, which is fine.  I've always thought that P-51s fighting against P-51s was surreal, and detracted from the enjoyment.  Plainly there are more of you than there are of me.)

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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2003, 04:18:19 PM »
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shane... read what I write before you respond.

I never said anything about your flying with or against the numbers... allied or axis ...  who cares?   what I did say was that I was not surprised that you advocated having a plane in an otherwise even set that was much faster and accelerated and climbed better.   You seem to have a real fondness for such behavior.

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ding ding ding!  go to the back of the clue line.  i advocated having a plane that was historically present in significant numbers. it has nothing to do with the speed or climbrate of said plane.  actually the fw190a5 *should* probably be added as well, since there were numbers of fw190a4's present, as well as some of the A5's.

quite clearly in your dabblings (and latest post in the CT) on a very infrequent basis, you have very little grasp of how the arena, the setups and the playerbase function.
might i suggest you fly in the TA, you'll find all the action you need right at the base you up from.

enjoy your pizza... oh it should be gone soon, so we have at least another week or two before we have to listen to your blatherings in here again.
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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2003, 05:41:21 PM »
:rolleyes:  another uselss thread.

Offline DiabloTX

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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2003, 05:52:42 PM »
Not totally useless Hawk, I have chuckled quite a few times reading it!!
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2003, 08:50:58 PM »
I chuckled quite a bit too, but i was just wondering who it was that started this "useless thread" ? :p

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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2003, 09:02:48 PM »
hehehe I find it funny that about 37 of the replys are worthless. This is what I get out of thiese replys:

I like flying the Spit against the Bf-109 cause the idiots that slow down in the 109s get killed.

I like flying the 109G-2 cause I can kill the idiots that are flying the Spit V in a turn fight agaisnt the idiots that slowed down in a 109 to turn fight a spit V.


I like flying the Bf-109g cause I can fly at high alt abouve a better than any other allied aircraft so I can dive down on the lower idiots.


Well, I'm the idiot that keeps flying the porkrd P-40E at 20k trying to get above the idiots flying the 100mph faster Bf-109G-2 so I can get him slow.....ah hell, nevermind!!!! :o

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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2003, 02:22:02 AM »
another uselss thread

yep

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« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2003, 05:45:55 AM »
oldman... yeah I guess i don't get it.. I found myself really wanting to up an FM2 during the russ setup so that I could fight all those other Fm2's... now that would have been fun!  don't get to fight em very often but.. I had to settle for fighting em and seeing how others flew em.   I don't care about the "historical" aspect... I read the book... I know how it came out and why... I also don't get "immersed" in history when flying any flight sim... there is absolutely nothing historical about how people fly in either arena.   Yeah... everyone knows the two 109 moves and how they will reactg every time against spit 5's   about 2 sorties of knowing ahead of time what my next fight will be is not a lot of fun for me.

but.. when people come to the general discussion board and plead for players here they don't say... come for historical immersion... they say "plenty of good fights"..  I am talking about that aspect... the good fights are all I'm intersested in.

shane... give it up... I have "fought" you in the MA.  all is as I have observed.   you want the fastest plane so that you can hit and run... nothing wrong with that if you are like that but...  
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« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2003, 07:57:54 AM »
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lol. how little you know, yet think you know more than others.

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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2003, 08:04:36 AM »
you sound like a little boy whistling in the dark to prove he isn't afraid shane... or more like the little boy who runs away after being scolded by an adult and then when he is a block away screams "f**k you!"..   come to think of it... that pretty much describes your channel 1 behavior.
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« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2003, 01:07:49 PM »
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you sound like a little boy whistling in the dark to prove he isn't afraid shane... or more like the little boy who runs away after being scolded by an adult and then when he is a block away screams "f**k you!"..   come to think of it... that pretty much describes your channel 1 behavior.
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lol. whatta tool.
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« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2003, 06:41:44 PM »
Pretty bang on actually.

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