Bf-109G-2 enabaled ?

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

Why is the Bf-109G-2 available? The MOTD says that it will not be enabled.

[brady]

Dont know afik it was not going to be enabled.

[Kweassa]

It was enabled a few days ago, when jarbo stepped in and saw the Axis forces were like 8 people, and Allied were 22. Flying the F-4s in such conditions for pretty long time(I remember asking if a few Allied pilots could change to the Axis.. after a few minutes, the numbers gap actually grew larger!), the handful of Axis pilots were disgusted and utterly complaining how 'it was as forseen' where the only aircraft we would see in Tunisia was the SpitV..

 The F-4 and SpitV is a close match up, but the vast number of CT noobs who simply won't pass the chance to fly a Spit for easy gaming, just hoarded to the Allied where the Spit was available and stayed there. Not surprising - such things happen with every setup where Spits and Hurris are involved..

 So, as we were ranting by ourselves, I let out a big complaint "man, we could be faring a bit better if we at least had the G-2...".. and that's when jarbo stepped in the arena.. maybe he heard me.

  He said he'll enable the G-2, but it was a temprary solution.

 One thing I've noticed. After the G-2 was in the game, the numbers balanced out about 15 to 15. Some changed to Axis from Allied, some Allied noobs saw that they're getting banged around in their Spits and left, and some others newly logged in to the Axis.

 That's what I know about the G-2. Maybe jarbo forgot to turn it off.

[brady]

Well I am not just a CT Staffer I am also a player:)

   And I mean "spit dweab" it is a thing is spit out as i say it, I dont fly set up's whear I expect the enemy will up tons of spits because I have been playing since tour 3 and frankely have had my fill of fighting them, and I will not stoop tooo flying them. But ya cant shame a spit dweab out of his ride, he is after all a "dweab"

  Personaly I dont buy the bs line it's the man not the plane.

 On the flip side fly what ya want and ignore the whiners, it is your 15 buck's, we are all intitled to our pet peaves and above is one of my favoret's:)

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

Ok,
The Checkertails fly allied no matter what. We have LW squads growing. We will fly allied aircraft in non-furball tactics and missions as do some...at least one...LW squad, JG-3.

The Checkertails will not be flying the P-40E against the Bf-109G2. The G-2 is way too "uber" in a non-furballing fight. Bf-109G2, per AH chart, is 100mph faster at 20,000ft. The P-40E climbs almost 1500fpm slower than the P-40F and is almost 65mph faster than the P-40E at 20,000ft. The P-40F was used in Tunisia between June and Sept 43' as well as the P-47-11 in late 43'.

Cya in the MA

[Eagler]

Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
...The Checkertails will not be flying the P-40E against the Bf-109G2. The G-2 is way too "uber" in a non-furballing fight. Bf-109G2, per AH chart, is 100mph faster at 20,000ft....

who in the heck is at 20,000 feet in CT and what is he doing up there .... LOL

10k is an orbital alt in this map ... oops sorry -reads->Checkertails - that splains it

[GRUNHERZ]

Complait noted P6E though I must admit I never heard you complain about speed disadvantages when you had 440mph mustangs vs 390mph Bf109G2/6 in the ficticius greek scenario. Why do you assume that allies must always have the fastest planes?

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Ok,
The Checkertails fly allied no matter what.  

Lots of folks have that attitude, which explains why I was one of 5 LW fighting 20 Allies for much of last night.

eskimo

[Eagler]

its the pilot not the plane

have killed numerous spitV's amd P40e's in my 109f this week while at the same time a few pilots have handed me my arse while they fly the same planes....I try to avoid those PILOTS

it's more the pilot than the plane..

[brady]

"It's the Piolet not the plane."

      With all do respect that is and always will be the bigest crock of krap ever uttered with conviction in the history of Air Combat sim's. In time and place specific CT set up's certain Planes give real and preceaved advantages to players granted some good sticks like Eagler can do wounderious things with any plane but that does not change the fact of the former statement.

[J_A_B]

I agree with Brady.   "Its the pilot not the plane" is a bunch of crap.   Such a statement ignores the fact that both sides in this arena will have a roughly equal distribution of pilots, ranging from the great ones to the average ones to newbies.  Thus the plane types each side has will be the deciding factor.

Sure, a good pilot can defeat a less-skilled enemy who is flying a better plane, but that's not the goal of an arena setup.  An arena setup should give equally-skilled pilots as close to an equal chance of success as possible.

In the case of the 109F versus Spit 5, they're fairly well-matched in performance...the 109 is quite a bit faster and it climbs better as well, while the Spit can turn tighter and has better diving performance.   IMO what makes the Spit more popular is the HISPANO cannons which are a whole epoch more effective than the MG 151/20's (and making things worse is the probability that the 109F has too little cannon ammo).  That massive difference in weapon effectiveness--both range AND punch--is what throws off the balance of this matchup.  It's a shame that there isn't a way to somehow equalize the differences in weapons.  Perhaps AH2 won't model them so drastically different.

J_A_B

[214thCavalier]

Strapping gondolas onto a 109 is a great equaliser in the firepower department.

[brady]

While the Gondals do help, it comes at a price, preformance and handeling, areas that the spit already has an advantage (low alt handeling), also the effective range of suxcessfully acheaving a hit is roughly twice that of the 20mm MG 151, and those hits are more effective per hit than the 20mm MG 151. But this is only part of the issue, As mentioned above the Spit is far less chalanging to fly than the 109 is, in other words piolets of lower skill levals can be deadly or as deadly as piolets of higher skill levals in a 109, more disipline and knowledge is required to fly the 109's in AH than the spits, at least to a realy effective and deadly degree.


  The unrealistic low alt fighting and systems management simplifacation in AH realy playes to the Spits advantages as it does to many other popular planes in AH. Also the Spit is realy just a great Fighter, and thus who are real fans of it should shrug off this whining and keep flying it, although they should feal guilty:)

[ergRTC]

Guilt is  a big one in this setup. (feel it you spit dweebs!)  What pisses me off is that so many people fly em I just cant do it.  I know I would enjoy it.

109s have to be the most challenging plane to fly well in our whole planeset.  Luckily, they are the fastest plane in town for this setup.  Gondolas on the 109g2 are not too bad, you are still faster than anybody else.

I have been flying 202s as axis, and man what a squeak that is.  I never knew the spit v handled better at 200mph.  

I have been flying hurricanes as allied, and they are UBER!

Numbers have been even everytime I have been in. (twice)

[brady]

Try burning the wing tanks out first in the 202, it handels better in combat with them dry. But ya the Spit's are tough and the Bredas suck so you gota real seel them on the 12.7mm to get a kill. Also leaving the 7mm on the ground will help in handeling.

            One thing though, a kill in the 202 is worth 6 in the spit in terms of acheavment, at least for me.