L.W. Experts, Tell Me About The 109s

[eskimo]

Before 2 days ago, I had never flown the 109s more than a couple of sorties a tour (Just enough frustrate myself with it.).  Now that I have the hang of it, I am a big fan.
I have been flying the G-2 because... well I like Finland... I guess.  

What I want to know is; what are the differences between the 4 types we have in AH?

I know that each newer type is faster and climbs better than the previous.  But how about handling.  
Do the early birds turn better?  
Are they better at slow speeds?
Is compression the same in all of em?
Can any of em be ditched with 1/2 a wing missing?
Anything els worth noting?

(I put the above post in "Help And Training" as well.  Please respond there so that others can also read what you have to say beyond tomorrow, when this post has been bumped to page 3.)

Thanks

eskimo

[SageFIN]

"Lawndart incarnate" is a pretty accurate description of any 109  .

Seriously, IMO they all handle quite nicely at low G's and low speed and the F4 can turn too. I can't really give any definite advice except that don't get caught without an alt advantage unless you are flying the G10 or are pretty good.

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[hazed-]

eskimo im no expert on the 109 but heres my basic overveiw:

109F    trick the enemy into thinking you are a later model and then turn fight them (not nikis,spits,zeros).Only works early in a fight! once enemy realises you are so slow they will disengage and re-engage at will.As with all 109s you can rope well in them.
109g2  the best 109 alrounder in my opinion.I use the g2 with gondalas and can often take out bombers with 1 or 2 passes shooting the wings.It can climb under wep and cools down very quickly so it makes an excellent interceptor.The best 109 for base defence for me.
109g6 I cant find anything about the g6 that i cant get in similar or superior levels from either g2 or g10.I dont use it.
109g10 Obviously the speed is its greatest weapon and those chunky 30mm  .Great plane but exceptionally hard to kill in i think.when you have to make adjustments in a high speed bnz it takes too long because of compression/wing load? etc.so you have to take risks to get that all important resolving shot.Acceleration ,speed and zoom climb are all excellent but for some reason i do feel it loses energy very quickly under any excessive g. 0g manouvering is the way to go with the 109, you will get a real feel for the manouver if you learn in 109's.

sorry i cant give you more but i have since become a 190 flyer! I undoubtedly live longer in them.  

 

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[hblair]

F4= slow, good turner
G2= fairly slow, good turner (I use gondolas on the F4 and the G2 most of the time)
G6= only real advantage over G2 is availability of 30mm tater gun. 1 ping=Boom (90% of time).
G10= very fast, 30mm tater gun, must use elevator trim keys to avoid compression at high speeds.

I have my elvevator trims mapped to my stick for use in the 109's. I threw a few pointers together on the assassins webpage for flying the G10. Click on the banner below then go to "Gustav for dummies" on the bottom left. It was typed up before the big flight model change, but a lot of it still applies.

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[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 03-29-2001).]

[Eagler]

I fly the 109f with gonds almost exclusively. It turns well and compresses the least, maybe because it is slower. Good ftr for one on one (unless it's Mitsu, then I just get my chute ready), knock em dead in h2h arena. The perk points are up there too.
 
Don't fly the g2 (don't care for the swastikas)
The g6 has better maneuverability while the g10 is your climber if you have to get high fast. Don't go over 400 in them as they will compress easily. Use your elevators & throttle to help you control high speed flight.

Eagler

[LLv34_Camouflage]

 

Originally posted by Eagler:
Don't fly the g2 (don't care for the swastikas)

Sorry Eagler, its not a swastika. Its the Von Rosen cross. It was the Finnish Air Force symbol since 1918. Nothing to do with a certain austrian corporal and his idealisms.

Best regards,

Camo



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[Sturm]

Good point Camo on the swastika, My favorite ride is the F4, have quite a few kils in it, and I use it for base defense against carrier planes.  She will out turn the F4U's and outrun the seafire, the F6F well it is just fodder.  Always carry the gondolas, and 50% fuel+DT.  Surprisingly will take a hit or two, great acceleration, climbs nice above average,  and will turn as well, low speed turning with a hint of flaps andshe will get around most planes, cept zero, zeke and spit V.  Plus you can rack up some quick perks in it envy 40.  The G-2 I got my first kill in it last night after a few unsuccesful sorties, andit happened ot be over a buff!  OK not a real buff a JU-88.  G_2 is the turner of the G-series, G-6 gain some speed and add 30mm and 13mm replace the 7.9mm.  G-10 I have not figured out, fast climbs like a rabbit on crack, hard hitting,if you can land them.  Not so great in the turning department, over 400 is very how to say, ok it will just go straight at 450 controls lock up.  F4 is the pick of the litter IMO.      

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[eskimo]

Thanks Guys!

I guess I shouldn't have used the term "Expert".  Whatever an expert is?  It's a relative term.

We'll say for this thread that an expert is anyone who's flown the various types enough to have a feel for how they are different.

In other words, please chime in if you also have a clue/opinion.

thanks,
eskimo

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Eagler:
Don't fly the g2 (don't care for the swastikas)

*cough cough*

Since when swastikas have been blue and tilted at 90 degree instead of 45 degree?

[GRUNHERZ]

109 is great!

What more can I say?

[funked]

Key to Flying Me 109:

When the enemy gets behind you, and you don't have any altitude to work with, don't bother with such silly things as "BFM", "ACM", or "scissors" - those are for beginners or for real life flying.  This is a game, and game you must!  Take your joystick and move it in a circle, like you were stirring a pot of something yummy.  

Be careful!  Don't stir too quick because you might get the "Don't Move Your Controls So Rapidly" message.  But if you stir it just right, the enemy will never be able to hit you due to the microwarps produced by the procedure.  

Then when he runs out of ammo and reverses for home, turn and use your excellent level acceleration to catch and dispatch him.

Enjoy!

[Eagler]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
*cough cough*

Since when swastikas have been blue and tilted at 90 degree instead of 45 degree?

okay okay, I give, I'll give the g2 a try  

Eagler

[eskimo]

ROTFLMAO Funked!

[Karaya One]

109s are my favorite.  

I miss the 109K-4.

In general the 109s have a good climb rate over enemy aircraft. However, as time passed, other airplanes became superior.

All of the posts mentioned above have good advice. You will find that all of the 109s have decent neg G performance.

Also the first few intital turns will be good but after you bleed speed and E, the performance suffers.

109s are the definitive B&Z aircraft. Especially with gondolas or the 30mm setup.

Controlling the compression is key to all varients. If you can learn to dive fast, destroy and climb out you have much success. Couple that with good SA and you will be formidable.

Most pilots like the FW or Spits. But if you can become a killer in a 109 you are a REAL man/Pilot. But im biased anyway.

Keep experimenting and keep flying them.

Karaya One, out

[This message has been edited by Karaya One (edited 03-29-2001).]

[AKDejaVu]

Learn wingman tactics and rope-a-dope strategies. Practice extending and low level scissors moves.

I don't have any real experience in the 109, but this is what they always seem to be doing whenever I see one in the arena.

AKDejaVu