Enfield L85A1 (SA-80)

[lazs2]

replicant... no it is not but... this will probly not be good news... the brits ran smith and wesson into the ground and caused a lot of damage to smith's good name.   they have some very strange political views that clashed with U.S. ones so far as gun ownership is concerned... now that they have left smith is thriveing again.
lazs

[GtoRA2]

I had heard that to, but could never find any details on it.

I never liked smith&Wesson anyway lol.

[Dune]

S&W got killed on the PR front when they signed up with one of Clinton's registerthegunswhicharebadfor usBS-type thingies.

Since then it's been bought by a firm in Phoenix and they're trying to restore their rep.

[Animal]

On the subject of bullpup designs - I have heard good things about the FAMAS the French use. Is it better than the British rifle?

What about the H&K G36 that the Spaniards are using? If its supposed to be such an outstanding rifle, and if the British actually own H&K, why dont they issue that rifle to their soldiers?

[Replicant]

Originally posted by Animal
On the subject of bullpup designs - I have heard good things about the FAMAS the French use. Is it better than the British rifle?

What about the H&K G36 that the Spaniards are using? If its supposed to be such an outstanding rifle, and if the British actually own H&K, why dont they issue that rifle to their soldiers?

The only thing I know about the FAMAS is that it has a incredibly high rate of fire.  Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it somewhere in the 800-1000 rounds per minute?

The British design of the SA80 dated back to the early 70s.  At this time H&K wasn't owned by the British.  The SA80 started entering service during the mid 80s and the Government wanted to try and repair the SA80 rather than buy something new.  I still think spending £80 million on repairing something that should have worked originally kinda crazy.  Even if they did want to buy something new, they'd probably choose something cheaper like the M16.

[mauser]

I don't think BAe owns H&K anymore...

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1317436#post1317436

It was supposed to be bought by a German group of
investors, led by german detergent manufacturer LUHNS.  
I couldn't find anything about the deal after that post
though.  

Anyway, I hope the SA-80 is working the way it should now,
especially now!

mauser

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Animal
On the subject of bullpup designs - I have heard good things about the FAMAS the French use. Is it better than the British rifle?

What about the H&K G36 that the Spaniards are using? If its supposed to be such an outstanding rifle, and if the British actually own H&K, why dont they issue that rifle to their soldiers?

I've heard that countries which have considered G36, have came to conclusion that it is too expensive.
Awesome rifle though.

Quality costs

Anyway.. didn't US OICW use G36 as the rifle part

[Dune]

IMHO, someone should smack the Royal Ordinance Dpt, or whoever buys rifles, upside the head with a dead codfish and make them go back to FN-Fal's.  

[Replicant]

Originally posted by mauser
I don't think BAe owns H&K anymore...


mauser

Well, all I can go by is the Heckler & Koch website and they haven't mentioned anything about new owners.
http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/english/company/03_history/03_00_index.html

[Hristo]

Never heard of any problems with FAMAS. It has very high rate of fire, 1000 rpm or so.

It has weird fire selector, actually two of them, working in combination.