Author Topic: The Ace in the Hole for Aces High (Read 408 times)

Minotaur · « **on:** October 18, 2000, 02:29:00 PM »

Ostwind?

The Ostwind is extremely tough, and easily the best vehicle of any type in the game.

Here I why I think the Ostwind is the best:

37mm allows one ping kills
A boat load of ammo
High pan rate for gun
Very good rate of fire
Very tough vehicle and gun mount
Rocket attacks have almost no effect - no blast radius
Bomb attacks require direct hit - no blast radius

The only real weapon that planes have against the Ostwind is the 1000lb bomb. Lets face it, bombs are porked. You need a direct hit to get a kill. Bomb blast radius is very small. A close hit does not even slow the Ostwind down.

The Icon distance to a ground vehicle is 1.5k and this gives the Ostwind a very nice advantage. Target acquisition in a dive leaves little time for accurate dive bomb aiming. Any type of a straight in attack is suicide.

If you like JABO, then attacking an Ostwind is near suicide. The Ace of Aces High is very low, it is the Ostwind.

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StSanta · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2000, 02:46:00 PM »

Hohumm..

If I have an egg, the Ostwind is in trouble, especially if I am over 6k.

Sometimes they survive direct hits though, a bit odd...

Also, they should be more susceptible to damage from German 20 and 30mm guns, at least the turret.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2000, 02:47:00 PM »

I can kill you in a Panzer from 1.5 miles out, a place where your guns cannot reach me. So much for that "Ace in the hole" theory!

JimBear · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2000, 03:28:00 PM »

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Ostwind?
37mm allows one ping kills
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Almost but not quite. Last night a particularly crazy Lanc driver came at me, I put 4 37mm hits into him (confirmed hit sprites), he dropped his load and that was that, in the tower with a real surprised look on me face

Udie · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2000, 03:35:00 PM »

I was dweebing out...er... ummm... in an ostie last night at a22 when I was attacked by a lancaster. He came in straight, level and low

I started shooting when he was at about 3.0 out but it's hard to lead a target 1.5 miles out

at 1.5 I could clearly see his bombdoor open and 2 seconds later his 4k egg dropped just as I got 3 hits on him. The first hit took out his port engine, the next one took out the port wing while the last hit him in the cockpit

BOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!! Sadly I could still clearly see the bomb falling at me, I turned right and the bomb missed, but it didnt matter

udied

It was realy fun

Udie

CavemanJ · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2000, 03:59:00 PM »

Dinnae forget no dispersion or recoil effects on the ostwind's gun Mino. Earlier today I chased an ostwind that was running down hill at about 150mph (best guess). I made a high speed, high angle pass on the quake dweeb. He was firing the whole time and picked my wing off from about 1000yds as I was extending away, pulling up and right to setup for another pass. Was a total surprise to me.

On the bombs.. I dropped a 500kg egg from a JU88 on a panzer 2 days ago. Instead of a bomb crater by the panzer I got a hit sprite, for a direct hit on top of the panzer's turret. The panzer kept going and shooting like I had fired a spitball at him.
500kg is roughly 1100lbs right? Wouldna that peel that panzer wide open?

flakbait · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2000, 04:41:00 PM »

Actually, 1k bombs aren't generally porked. They're just screwed up vs. vehicles. Dump a single 1k bomb on a city and watch as at least 3 square blocks go up. A single 4k bomb from a Lanc nearly levels a quarter of a city. Apparently what we've got are general purpose bombs, and what we need is AP bombs. A single 500lb AP bomb would turn a Panzer into confetti.

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SOB · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2000, 04:45:00 PM »

I dove in to kill an ostwind last night with my niki, and didn't have the bombs salvod to 2 like I wanted to, but to my surprise, direct hit with a 250lb bomb, and bye bye flakpanzer

SOB

discod · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2000, 04:47:00 PM »

OK I am well aware that some of you guys can drop planes from the sky with ease in the Ostie but I have a heckuva time hitting even a Bobmer at 500 feet off the ground unless it is coming straight at me!!! I have killed many planes but ALL of them have been from straight-on shots. HOW and I say HOW in the world do you aim with that thing??? Any tips appreciated

hazed- · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2000, 05:28:00 PM »

ive killed osties with 250lbers in 109 500lbers in 190's ,ive killed 3 osts in 1 sortie by dive bombing with ju88...ive been a gunner for beefcake in a ju88 and he killed an ostie with a row of 10 50's!..both of us were suprised but it happened,although ive never managed with 50's i think its pretty good how it is now. the only thing i think is a bit off is how an ostie can supposedly(havent managed it myself) take out an entire airfield when a panzer runs out of ammo..However, ive never come accross this happening so its not a big issue for me.id like to see both attack in RL to see which does more damage? my vote the panzer

i think a near miss with 500lber should kill an ostie...london IRA bomb was 400lber i beleive and no WW2 tank would have survived that

hazed

p.s. i still think bombs should throw up a brief cloud of dust or something...in WW2 footage of rockets (3.5inch? what 100lb tops?) the amount of mud etc thrown up is awsome and i think it would look great. the hangers look pretty good when they go up lets have even more mess

hey i just noticed! id best eat my hat! LW is in kg not lb! so 50kg is apporx 110lber!
that 500 i thought was lb is actually a 1000lber

3x500 on ju88 should kill a hanger

.i always assumed they were lb..off to test!

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Wardog · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2000, 05:30:00 PM »

Your wrong about 1k bombs against Osties or Tanks.

Last night i took up hvy Typhoon with 2 1k bombs, salvo 1. Dove on Ostie dropped egg, Ostie dead, regrabed a little alt dropped on tank, tank dead.. Hot rearm & did it again.

1k Bombs very effect against tanks & Ostie, i took a few hits but no damage to AC..

And i didnt pull outa dive till 470ft above Ostie. Egg gone, Ostie dead..

Not sure how you guys are droppin your eggs,but i think someone just needs a little practice.

Leave the Ostie gun alone and let the JABO boys do there thing

Dog out...

214thCavalier · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2000, 07:58:00 PM »

Unless of course the old packet loss thing is failing to tell the Ostie/Tank that it should be dead ?

Minotaur · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2000, 09:04:00 PM »

I wonder if we all even play the same game.

I have been a JABO'ist virtually since my first log on in beta. I am not talking about the ultra accurate BUFF bombsights, but JABO attacks. The ones that require skill.

How many JABO guys waste their time with anything but 1000lb bombs? Only a few times for experimentation, because they learn right away that you have to have a direct hit. The only advantage to the 1000lb bomb is a moderately larger blast radius and you can also attack buildings. Smaller bombs don't do any significant damage to buildings.

Ever seen an Ostwind or a Panzer strolling between your miniscule bomb craters, undamaged after a 1000lb 2 pickle drop? Unless you have a direct hit they just pass right on through the hexagonal blast area and are only slightly effected.

Bomb radius damage is porked and has been virtually since day one. BTW I have not level bombed a city in months.

LOL

Once again the debate, "Super Elite" or "Regular Guy".

Wardog:

You must pick on weeny Osties drivers or ones that don't see you. The ones that I face are pluck me out of the sky sometimes at D1.4k or more. Well, a 470 foot bomb drop is a good one for sure. Good for fragging your own bellybutton off, if you have any kind of dive angle at all. Might work well in very shallow attacks, that play directly to the Osties strength.

From my experience in an Ostwind, any plane that closes to less than d700 (yards) in any type of strafing run or bomb run, where he has to line up to get me. If I see him, I am going to get him. One ping is all I need. The only ones who have success against me are the ones attacking nearly vertical or I don't see. Then all they do is take out my gun usually.

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The Wrecking Crew

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Minotaur · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2000, 09:14:00 PM »

StSanta;

I would like to know how you can see an Ostwind at 6k altitude?

Discod;

Planes are relatively hard to hit unless they are flying right at you. My best advice is get a feel for lead and elevation required. Use the "Zoom" feature for aiming.

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

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Minotaur · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2000, 09:53:00 PM »

LOL

Sorry Wardog, but I got to looking at the stats again. Seems the Ostie vs your Typhie spanked you pretty good in Tour 8. Tour 9 is as of yet none conclusive.

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble