Women in war

[Kanth]

Wulfe,

 lets differentiate from sex and dominant posturing first of all.

second, lets take wolves for example, say the female alpha is out tooling around alone and the bottom string male comes along and decides he's going to mate with her.

Does the mating occur?

please explain.

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Just in case you aren't familiar with wolves, lets try this, say the female lioness isn't in heat, does the male mate with her anyway?

please explain.

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Sweet jebus.... rape and animals.

Animals don't have the brain power to consent to sex, either all animals rape or none do.

Ever seen a dog at a park get up on another dog and start pumping away? Hell- sometimes they're both male.
-SW

[midnight Target]

That was a Colobus monkey they were eating... not exactly a great ape.

Chimps and Bonobo's (a sub species really) are African
Orangs are found in South East Asia

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

The alpha female will run away, and/or alert the pack.

I've seen attempted sex between four legged creatures, if the one on the bottom don't want it- it can run away.

There's usually a good size difference between alphas and the bottom rung, in favor of the alphas.
-SW

[Kanth]

Altho the female, (even the alpha) is generally smaller than the males, she will only let the alpha mate with her whether an omega catches her alone, can outrun her etc.

but as far as eluding is concerned (I'll go with your argument)

Why then doesn't the alpha male mate with all of the females in the pack? He's larger, faster, they are subordinant.

he should be raping them all the time.

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less than 30 mins till I'm gone so I'll check for this later on..

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
The alpha female will run away, and/or alert the pack.

I've seen attempted sex between four legged creatures, if the one on the bottom don't want it- it can run away.

There's usually a good size difference between alphas and the bottom rung, in favor of the alphas.
-SW

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Pack species have one mate.

Where is this going?

Female animals only mate when in heat, male animals are always ready to mate and always want to mate. They'll mate with their hands, they'll mate with your leg, they'll mate in a plane, they'll mate with a train... etc.

Sometimes the female animal just may give in because it's their place, I dunno... but when an animal has been resistant (ie: definitely against their will) a fight ensues, and not a "raping" as it were.
-SW

[funkedup]

Women are practically a different species from men.  To expect them to perform the same in war (or any other endeavor) is ridiculous.

People will try to tell you that all the differences are created by culture.  Hogwash.  Differences between men and women are biological and they came about through evolutionary necessity.

It makes sense that a soldier would have a different reaction to a same-sex casualty than an opposite-sex casualty.  The same-sex soldier is a rival for passing on genetic information, while the opposite-sex soldier is not.  The opposite-sex soldier is in fact a potential mate.  Because the primary goal is to pass on one's genetic material, it's perfectly logical that humans would evolve to value the opposite-sex soldier over the same-sex soldier.

[Kanth]

women aren't practically a different species than men, the requirements at wartime are well within their abilities.

Originally posted by funkedup
Women are practically a different species from men.  To expect them to perform the same in war (or any other endeavor) is ridiculous.

People will try to tell you that all the differences are created by culture.  Hogwash.  Differences between men and women are biological and they came about through evolutionary necessity.

[Kanth]

No dood, male animals won't mate with every thing, you are not understanding the difference between posturing and mating.

when a female MOUNTS another female are they mating? and if so where are the offspring.

This is like equating rape with sex...it's not about sex, it's about dominance and control.

The only sex that occurs is between the best of gene's it's VERY selective..not brainless.

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Pack species have one mate.

Where is this going?

Female animals only mate when in heat, male animals are always ready to mate and always want to mate. They'll mate with their hands, they'll mate with your leg, they'll mate in a plane, they'll mate with a train... etc.

Sometimes the female animal just may give in because it's their place, I dunno... but when an animal has been resistant (ie: definitely against their will) a fight ensues, and not a "raping" as it were.
-SW

[funkedup]

Women are quite different from men in their bodies, how they think, their emotions, etc.  I'm talking biological differences, not differences in upbringing or culture.  The differences are significant enough that the two sexes should be expected to have (and do have) measurable differences in performance in just about any activity.

[Airhead]

Kanth, hate to burst your bubble but males of any animal species, although generally bigger and stronger, will not harm a female of the same species. It's a genetic code thingie. It extends to humans, also- we're predisposed not to harm females, but instead protect them. That's why the men unquestionably went down with the ship when the Titanic sunk. That's why the males will fight to protect the females of almost any species. It's not human nature, it's mother nature. To try to defeat this basic natural law by presenting it as a civil rights issue is laughable.

[funkedup]

Originally posted by Kanth
No dood, male animals won't mate with every thing, you are not understanding the difference between posturing and mating.

when a female MOUNTS another female are they mating? and if so where are the offspring.

This is like equating rape with sex...it's not about sex, it's about dominance and control.

The only sex that occurs is between the best of gene's it's VERY selective..not brainless.

It's pretty simple:  

The male can do his thing with as many mates as his "stamina" will allow.  So males have evolved a desire to pretty much "mount" any female they come across.  The more females they impregnate, the greater the likelihood that their genetic material will be passed on.

But the female can only be pregnant by one male at a time.  If they choose wrong, they won't get another chance to reproduce for the duration of the gestation plus whatever time they spend raising the offspring.  Therefore females have evolved to be more selective about who they allow to "mount" them.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Rape = intercourse = sex.

It just happens to not be willed.

I've seen mounting, that isn't rape.

I've seen one male dog stick his dong in another dog's tail pipe, that wasn't mounting.. that was "get ready thailor, here comesth the vein twain", upon the dog getting ASSimilated finding out what was really happening, he shot across the park faster than all hell.

I have never seen a female animal mount another female animal though, I am sure I would be fairly aroused though and would be forced to mount Funked.

Derailed this discussion has become.
-SW

[funkedup]

*Blows rape whistle*
Hellllllp
Skuzzy!!!!

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by funkedup
*Blows rape whistle*
Hellllllp
Skuzzy!!!!

Oh, Skuzzy can't help you big boy!
-SW

[funkedup]

Clearly my theory about opposite-sex mates is incorrect!
I think can now see the true motive behind SW's argument!
I knew that having photos of my bellybutton posted on the internet would come back to haunt me some day.