Uncensored Info on Iraq War from the Russian GRU

[--am--]

Originally posted by Martlet
GREAT COMEBACK.

now that really proves your argument

I live on Ural (if you know that this such)
I work in a printing house of the issuing newspaper.
I use the Internet since 1996 years

I laughed when I read this bosh

[Martlet]

Originally posted by --am--
I live on Ural (if you know that this such)
I work in a printing house of the issuing newspaper.
I use the Internet since 1996 years

I laughed when I read this bosh

This explains a lot to me.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Uh....No.

A-10's are designed to fly CAS in face heavy ground fire, hit their targets and return to base safely.

If it's one thing the A-10 does not fear, it's AAA.

The "Bathtub" can take a 23mm HE AA shell, and keep on flying. Now this is not the entire aircraft, but it is indicative of what the plane was deigned for.

Please, tell this things to someone else

You think that A-10 is an "abrams" tank with wings - but it's not true. As any AC it's vulnerable to AAA.

Iraqi Shilkas can fire not only HE shells. AP 23mm can penetrate the "bathtub" with ease. Even if it doesn't, the stream of lead from 4 barrels making 4800 RPM can shred the whole airframe, and in such case - who cares about the "bathtub". More to say, organized rifle and LMG fire will be dangerous too. Not speaking about 14.5mm Vladimirovs, designed to kill light tanks. Add a chance to catch a Strela/Igla with a "bar" warhead that will simply cut off the wings, again. leaving the "bathtub" intact.

American pilots may be brave, but they are no kamikaze.

[GRUNHERZ]

You print newspapers? As in newspapers that you distribute to other people - for them to read?   WOW!!

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Boroda
Please, tell this things to someone else

You think that A-10 is an "abrams" tank with wings - but it's not true. As any AC it's vulnerable to AAA.

Iraqi Shilkas can fire not only HE shells. AP 23mm can penetrate the "bathtub" with ease. Even if it doesn't, the stream of lead from 4 barrels making 4800 RPM can shred the whole airframe, and in such case - who cares about the "bathtub". More to say, organized rifle and LMG fire will be dangerous too. Not speaking about 14.5mm Vladimirovs, designed to kill light tanks. Add a chance to catch a Strela/Igla with a "bar" warhead that will simply cut off the wings, again. leaving the "bathtub" intact.

American pilots may be brave, but they are no kamikaze.

you're right.  The A10 is trash, that's why we've lost so many of them during this conflict.

[Sikboy]

Here another article on air defense from "Military Parade" a delightful Russian publication.  I find it interesting that they called the Gulf war, where 75 Coalition planes were shot down, a failure of air defense, and Kosovo, where 1 plane was shot down, a success.  But I love that magazine.

-Sik

[--am--]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You print newspapers? As in newspapers that you distribute to other people - for them to read?   WOW!!

You do not understand a difference between publishing house, edition and printing house? LOL

[Martlet]

Originally posted by --am--
You do not understand a difference between publishing house, edition and printing house? LOL

I think it's your english he doesn't understand.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Reschke
So Boroda how long does it take to dismantle a Soviet built Air Defense setup? My guess based on the similar setups within US Air Defense capability is that it takes about 5 minutes to clear the area once you set up. Now a HARM travels pretty quickly on its way to a stored location from the radar signal. I seriously doubt they can get out that fast.

Reschke, in Vietnam and Egypt S-75s were used even without observation radars. Only one-two launchers, diesel and control cabin. Manual targeting worked well. Usually they ran away after every launch.

In Vietnam they even used S-75 launchers as bait for CGS planes, one launcher that is aimed at the blue sky, launch, here come F-105s at low alt that are blown to pieces by 4 Shilkas around the launcher.

I don't know about short-range SAMs, I was trained for S-200 stationary complex. Our deployment time was an optimistic 14 hours, with all fortification and hangars. But things like S-125 can fire right "from the wheels".

SAM tactics is something between gamble, art and science.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Sikboy
Here another article on air defense from "Military Parade" a delightful Russian publication.  I find it interesting that they called the Gulf war, where 75 Coalition planes were shot down, a failure of air defense, and Kosovo, where 1 plane was shot down, a success.  But I love that magazine.

-Sik

Military Parade is a Military-Industrial Complex advertisement magazine. Their art director is a friend of mine It's a beautiful artistic "glossy-paper" magazine, a "Vogue" of military publishing.

[GRUNHERZ]

The very thought of you anywhere near a newspaper makes me feel very bad for anone who would even chance to read it...

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Boroda
Please, tell this things to someone else

You think that A-10 is an "abrams" tank with wings - but it's not true. As any AC it's vulnerable to AAA.

Iraqi Shilkas can fire not only HE shells. AP 23mm can penetrate the "bathtub" with ease. Even if it doesn't, the stream of lead from 4 barrels making 4800 RPM can shred the whole airframe, and in such case - who cares about the "bathtub". More to say, organized rifle and LMG fire will be dangerous too. Not speaking about 14.5mm Vladimirovs, designed to kill light tanks. Add a chance to catch a Strela/Igla with a "bar" warhead that will simply cut off the wings, again. leaving the "bathtub" intact.

American pilots may be brave, but they are no kamikaze.

Tell me then,

IN the first gulf war, where all these Weapons supplied by the Former Soviet Union were deployed, why is it out of 8,755 A-10 sorties, only one was lost to AAA fire?

Meanwhile, they are credited with destroying 987 tanks, 926 artillery pieces, 501 APCs, and a host of other targets.

If the aircraft is so vulnerable, why was only one lost to AAA fire?

The aircraft should be an easy taret considering it's low speed, and low altitude. Why only 1 kill?

Did you not train the Iraqi's well enough in the use of the Advanced Soviet equiptment?

[miko2d]

muckmaw: IN the first gulf war, where all these Weapons supplied by the Former Soviet Union were deployed, why is it out of 8,755 A-10 sorties, only one was lost to AAA fire?

 Because Iraqis started retreating two days before the strike and did not even intend to put up any fight while US strafed defensless columns?

 miko

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by miko2d
muckmaw: IN the first gulf war, where all these Weapons supplied by the Former Soviet Union were deployed, why is it out of 8,755 A-10 sorties, only one was lost to AAA fire?

 Because Iraqis started retreating two days before the strike and did not even intend to put up any fight while US strafed defensless columns?

 miko

Oh, I'm sorry. I did not realize Tanks were defensless...

But being Russian built, I guess your right.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by miko2d
muckmaw: IN the first gulf war, where all these Weapons supplied by the Former Soviet Union were deployed, why is it out of 8,755 A-10 sorties, only one was lost to AAA fire?

 Because Iraqis started retreating two days before the strike and did not even intend to put up any fight while US strafed defensless columns?

 miko

Also because they have experience now, including some lessons from Serbian PVO.

And definetly because in case of heavy AAA fire they better call artillery support instead of engaging. It's not covardice, it's just how the things should be done.