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« on: March 27, 2003, 06:47:53 PM »
I don’t know if this has already been brought up but I’ve been reading these Russian intelligence dispatches for the past several days and I find them quite interesting. Yes, I realize they could be Russian propaganda but I find them a refreshing change from the US variety.

http://162.42.211.226/article2438.htm

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2003, 06:56:42 PM »
thanks Blur

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2003, 07:08:16 PM »
"During one of the Iraqi attacks yesterday against the US positions the Iraqis for the first time employed the "Grad" mobile multiple rocket launch systems [MLRS]. As the result an entire US unit was taken out of combat after sustaining up to 40 killed and wounded as well as losing up to 7 armored vehicles.

There are no other reports of any losses in this area [ An-Nasiriya] except for one US Marine drowning in one of the city's water canals and another Marine being killed by a sniper.

During the sand storm the coalition command lost contact with up to 4 coalition reconnaissance groups. Their whereabouts are being determined. It is still unknown what happened to more than 600 other coalition troops mainly from resupply, communications and reconnaissance units communication with which was lost during the past 24 hours."


"Intercepted radio communications show that at around 0615hrs this morning the lead of a flight of two A-10 ground attack planes detected a convoy of armored vehicles. Unable to see any markings identifying these vehicles as friendly and not being able to contact the convoy by radio the pilot directed artillery fire to the coordinates of the convoy.

Later it was discovered that this was a coalition convoy. Thick layers of dust covered up the identification markings - colored strips of cloth in the rear of the vehicles. Electronic jamming made radio contact impossible. First reports indicated that the US unit lost 50 troops killed and wounded. At least five armored vehicles have been destroyed, one of which was an Abrams tank."


Somehow I find this stuff hard to swallow. I like how the site url is an IP address. Anyway, if I were to believe US sources versus Russian sources...hmm hard decision...yeah right. :) ;)

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2003, 07:08:35 PM »
this ones good for even more shiits and giggles.

Translation
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2003, 07:11:01 PM »
good old Pravda...best toilet paper for Russians since 1917 :)

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2003, 07:13:15 PM »
The link above is from a mirror site. I believe this is the original:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/

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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2003, 07:13:20 PM »
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Originally posted by udet

Anyway, if I were to believe US sources versus Russian sources...hmm hard decision...yeah right. :) ;)


Oh, you mean like:" MDW FACTORY DISCOVERED!" or "IRAQ FIRES GASGRENADES INTO KUWAIT!"?

Eat my...

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2003, 07:13:53 PM »
I don't know. They probably have embedded reporters too.
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2003, 07:14:30 PM »
Oh man, Venik, that guy is a riot!

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2003, 07:14:39 PM »
NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN


Plans Under Way for Christianizing the Enemy

BY MARK O'KEEFE
c.2003 Newhouse News Service

Two leading evangelical Christian missionary organizations said Tuesday that they have teams of workers poised to enter Iraq to address the physical and spiritual needs of a large Muslim population.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the country's largest Protestant denomination, and the Rev. Franklin Graham's Samaritan's Purse said workers are near the Iraq border in Jordan and are ready to go in as soon as it is safe. The relief and missionary work is certain to be closely watched because both Graham and the Southern Baptist Convention have been at the heart of controversial evangelical denunciations of Islam, the world's second largest religion.

Both organizations said their priority will be to provide food, shelter and other needs to Iraqis ravaged by recent war and years of neglect. But if the situation presents itself, they will also share their Christian faith in a country that's estimated to be 98 percent Muslim and about 1 percent Christian.

"We go where we have the opportunity to meet needs," said Ken Isaacs,international director of projects for Samaritan's Purse, located in Boone, N.C. "We do not deny the name of Christ. We believe in sharing him in deed and in word. We'll be who we are."

Mark Kelly, a spokesman for the Southern Baptists' International Mission Board, said $250,000 has already been spent to provide immediate needs, such as blankets and baby formula. Much more will follow, along with a more overt spiritual emphasis.

"Conversations about spiritual things will come about as people ask about our faith," said Kelly, based in Richmond, Va. "It's not going to be like what you might see in other countries where there's a preaching service held outside clinics and things like that."

Richard Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs of the National Association of Evangelicals, is urging caution for the two groups, as well as other evangelical organizations planning to go into Iraq.

"Evangelicals need to be sensitive to the circumstances of this country and its people," said Cizik, based in Washington, D.C. "If we are perceived as opportunists we only hurt our cause. If this is seen as religious freedom for Iraq by way of gunboat diplomacy, is that helpful? I don't think so. If that's the perception, we lose."

Graham, the son of legendary evangelist Billy Graham, has been less diplomatic about Islam than his father has been. Two months after the Sept. 11 attacks, Franklin Graham called Islam "a very evil and wicked religion" during an interview on NBC, the television network. In his book published last year, "The Name," Graham wrote that "The God of Islam is not the God of the Christian faith." He went on to say that "the two are different as lightness and darkness."

On the eve of the Southern Baptist Convention in St. Louis last year, the Rev. Jerry Vines, a former denomination president, told several thousand delegates that Islam's Allah is not the same as the God worshipped by Christians. "And I will tell you Allah is not Jehovah, either. Jehovah's not going to turn you into a terrorist," Vines said.

Widespread condemnation of those comments followed from other Protestant leaders as well as from Catholic and Jewish groups. The Graham and Vines statements even created a problem for President Bush, who has called Islam a "religion of peace."

Bush, an evangelical Christian himself, has close ties to both Franklin Graham, who gave a prayer at his inauguration, and Southern Baptists, who are among his most loyal political supporters.

Isaacs, who works for Franklin Graham, refused to comment about his boss' views of Islam, except to say, "most of Franklin's work is to the Muslim world and those are sincere acts of love, concern and compassion."

In a written statement, Graham said: "As Christians, we love the Iraqi people, and we are poised and ready to help meet their needs. Our prayers are with the innocent families of Iraq, just as they are with our brave soldiers and leaders."

Isaacs said Samaritan's Purse has assembled a team of nine Americans and Canadians that includes veterans of war-relief projects in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Rwanda and Somalia. The teams include a doctor, an engineer and a water specialist.

They will bring resources that include a system that can provide drinking water for up to 20,000 people, material to build temporary shelters for more than 4,000 families, packages of household items for 5,000 families, and kits designed to meet the general medical needs of 100,000 people for three months.

So far, there's no budget for the effort because it's so fluid, said Jeremy Blume, a Samaritan's Purse spokesman, but donors are being asked to help. A Southern Baptist fund-raising drive is under way to help underwrite the cost, Kelly said. Both groups said only private donations have funded their plans thus far, with no government assistance in the works.

Southern Baptists, representing a denomination of 16 million members, have workers in Jordan waiting to help refugees. But so far, few refugees have arrived, perhaps because it's still too difficult for much of the population to maneuver between warring militaries on their way to the border, Kelly said.

Baptist Men, a national organization devoted to providing disaster relief work, has promised to send volunteers from the United States "on a moment's notice," Kelly said.

As soon as they gain access to northern Iraq, teams will go, Kelly said, with plans of feeding up to 10,000 or more people a day.

"The hope is that as the war front moves and the situation in the outlying areas improves, we'll be able to send mobile teams in.

"Our understanding of relief ministries is that anytime you give a cup of cold water in the name of Jesus you've shared God's love in a real physical way. That also raises the question as to why you did that. When people ask you, you explain that it's because of the love of God that has been poured out into my life and I have a deep desire that you know that same love as well."



(Mark O'Keefe can be contacted at mark.okeefe@newhouse.com)

 
 ROFL .... you can lead a Muslim to water .... but you can't make him think. Shame on you evil Christians coming in and trying to brainwash those Muslims! They've had enough brainwashing in their lifetime as it is! ;)

Yeah ... these stories are a hoot! Thanks! :D

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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2003, 07:14:49 PM »
some of the stuff they put up is truly hilarious...

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What Do Russians Read?
Nobody say for sure why people buy newspapers, to read or to wrap something. As it turned out, Russians prefer to read the press published in the regions, not that issued in the capital. This is seen from an analysis made by the RF Ministry of Press and recently published. I have no exact information at hand concerning the amount of audience of central and local online editions, such like the PRAVDA.Ru online newspaper. But as for printed newspapers, the advantage of the local press over the central one is obvious.


now we know where the onion mines their ideas.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2003, 07:17:24 PM »
Here other side beside the russian  site (its our US feedbacks)that makes me wonder about all this Bush admins


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

Different source I found it very interesting not your daily CNN news.  Take it how you want it

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2003, 07:19:44 PM »
the news on the CNN website are pretty boring today. At least the rumor factories are up and running...

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2003, 07:21:38 PM »
Yes bashwolf thank you for that unbiased site!  :)

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2003, 07:24:24 PM »
The Russians Coined the phrase "disinformation"