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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2003, 08:15:49 PM »
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OH, yeah..

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt......... doink!


I agree. No gobment(and I love that spelling)bailouts!  Unless, of course, the share price goes to $5.00 then bail em out so the price can go back to $60.00!

I remember Chrysler in the '80's, I missed out, you?
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2003, 08:27:48 PM »
damn, I better cash my skymiles in before they go under!  ;)
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2003, 10:41:05 PM »
Just the Facts on Big Six Management

BY JOE BRANCATELLI
 
March 27, 2003 -- Once in a while--not often, but occasionally--I get an E-mail from a business traveler who suggests that my columns about the mismanagement of the Big Six carriers would be more effective if I refrained from describing the big bosses as overpaid, incompetent, insensitive, self-aggrandizing, cowardly, stupid, corporate welfare junkies.

I don't agree. I believe in calling a spade a spade and a blowhard corporate martinet a blowhard corporate martinet. But I also believe in reader service. So, if some of you want "just the facts" about the state of Big Six management, I am happy to oblige.

I could focus on Wednesday's revelations from Reuters that Continental Airlines chief executive Gordon Bethune received "a pay package for 2002, excluding options, worth about $7.63 million, more than 82 percent above the $4.18 million he was awarded the previous year." But, frankly, Bethune is too easy a target and an increasing embarrassment even to his fellow airline executives. <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030326/bs_nm/airlines_continental_proxy_dc_2>  

Instead, here are facts--and just the facts--about the state of the management of Delta Air Lines. I'll refrain from characterization, but I do urge you to let me know the adjectives that you'd use to describe this kind of stewardship.

FACT: Delta Air Lines recorded a net loss of $1.3 billion in 2002 and a net loss of $1.2 billion in 2001.

FACT: Delta said Tuesday that its first-quarter 2003 results will be worse than the $397 million loss in last year's first quarter. There is no hope for profit in 2003 and "economic analysts indicate that recovery is unlikely before 2004, if then," chief executive Leo Mullin wrote in Delta's just released annual report <http://www.delta.com/pdfs/annual_reports/Delta2002ARFINAL.pdf> .

FACT: In the annual report, Mullin said that Delta will have shed 16,000 jobs--or 21 percent of its pre-9/11 work force--by the middle of this year.

FACT: Delta's stock traded at $55.81 on July 24, 2000. On September 10, 2001, the day before the terrorist attacks, Delta shares had lost a third of their value and were selling at $37.25. On Wednesday, Delta closed at $9.95, meaning the company has lost 82 percent of its value during the last 32 months.

FACT: In a speech before a New York aviation group on Wednesday, Mullin claimed airlines "have undertaken [the] largest expenditure reduction program in history." <http://www.delta.com/inside/investors/corp_info/speeches/corp_speeches_03/lfm_wings_club.html>

FACT: In its proxy statement filed on Tuesday with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Delta revealed that Mullin was paid a salary of $795,000 in 2002, 33.3 percent more than he received in 2001. His cash bonus in 2002 was $1.4 million compared to no bonus in 2001. <http://investor.delta.com/EdgarDetail.cfm?CompanyID=DAL&CIK=27904&FID=950144-03-3658&SID=03-00>

FACT: After analyzing his various payouts, CBSMarketwatch.com said Tuesday that Mullin's "compensation package more than doubled in 2002 to $4.8 million." After calculating the value of all his options and other perks, Forbes  magazine concluded that Mullin's pay package was worth "some $13 million, more than twice what he received in 2001." <http://www.forbes.com/2003/03/25/0325facesam.html>

FACT: According to a story analyzing the proxy statement that appeared in Wednesday's Atlanta Journal-Constitution  , Mullin and Delta's four other top executives received total cash bonuses of $4.8 million in 2002. Fifty-five "second-tier" managers were paid a total of $12.5 million more. "Delta had given no executive bonuses in 2001, but last year retooled its bonus formula to make them possible despite $1.3 billion in losses," the paper reported. <http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/business/0303/26deltapay.html>

FACT: Delta's proxy statement said that the airline's president and chief operating officer, Fredrick W. Reid, was paid $45,000 more in salary ($700,000) in 2002 than in 2001. His 2002 cash bonus: $1.233 million. M. Michele Burns, Delta's chief financial officer received $30,000 more in salary ($560,000) last year than in 2001. Her 2002 bonus was $846,000. Vicki Escarra, Delta's chief marketing officer, received a $29,000 salary boost ($540,000) and a $761,400 bonus in 2002.

FACT: Based on its 2002 net loss of $1.3 billion and his 2002 bonus payment of $1.4 million, Mullin received $100,000 in bonuses for every $92,778,000 that Delta lost last year. Based on the $13 million estimate of his total 2002 financial compensation, Mullin earned $1 million for every $100 million that Delta lost in 2002. Reid received $100,000 in bonuses for every $105 million that Delta lost last year.

FACT: The proxy statement reported that Delta diverted $25.5 million in cash to guarantee the pensions of certain executives in the case of bankruptcy. The move is similar to the actions at US Airways, which paid its three top departing executives $35 million in lump-sum retirement benefits before it declared bankruptcy last year. Using the protection of the bankruptcy court, US Airways then renounced its pension obligations to its pilots.

FACT: Effective March 1, the Delta proxy said, Mullin and Reid were reducing their salaries by 10 percent "for an indefinite period." The other officers were accepting an 8 percent salary cut. "These reductions demonstrate the commitment of the officer team to share the burden of Delta's cost-reduction goals," the proxy said.

FACT: Mullin, who began the public drumbeat for a second airline bailout last September  with a disastrous appearance before a Congressional committee, continues to act as the Big Six's front man on a request for upwards of $10 billion of additional taxpayer funds. "I remain fairly optimistic that we will get some aid through this process," the Atlanta Journal-Constitution

<http://www.delta.com/docs/LFM_testimony_092402.doc>
<http://www.zyworld.com/brancatelli/branc100302.htm>
<http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/business/delta/0303/27delta.html>  quoted him as saying yesterday.

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Nifty, I'd cash them suckers quick. If AA goes Chapter 11 this week, all bets are off.

I am spending this weekend carefully contemplating and calculating submitting my early retirement papers Monday. Might as well try to salvage some of that. My brother at US Air lost all but about 15% of his retirement....... so far.
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2003, 11:03:21 PM »
damn toad...

short of the government taking over commercial air transport, is there anything that can be done?
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2003, 11:32:14 PM »
Ummm........ kill all of the senior officers and get Herb Kelleher to take over?

:D

Nah; it's over. I've watched for 23 years as they tried to tell the cutomers what the customers wanted. The customers got tired of being told.

Then came 9/11.

People fly to get places fast and cheap. The "romance" of flying doesn't sell tickets like it did in the '50's but the majors apparently never could accept that.

So, Southwest and JetBlue post profits in the worst of times..... and the majors go bankrupt.

I've about made my decision. Ya got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run. I'm lacing up my track shoes this weekend, I'm pretty sure.

Probably end up changing oil in a Jiffy Lube cuz you can't retire this early and get much.

Know what? I started out with far less than I have now.Nothing but a college degree, really.  And I got to here. :D
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2003, 12:13:40 AM »
jeezz , non of you know how big bussins works , if you are loseing money you have to you execs more to make up for the losses

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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2003, 07:24:38 AM »
Toad, early retirement ain't as good as it is cracked up to be.  Maybe we can start a bzness selling pencils or apples?  What ya think?

Even flyn boxes isn't a sure thing now. My brother says DHL and Airborne are going to be going through merger pains.  He is a little worried about his job!

Being a pilot with a major doesn't mean a thing these days:(

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2003, 10:02:16 PM »
:D  

Shows the mettle of the present bunch.

Letter from retired Delta executives to Leo F. Mullin, CEO of Delta Airlines
January 22, 2003

Dear Leo:

We are retired officers of Delta Air Lines, representing diverse backgrounds, personalities and experiences. While most of us spent our entire careers with Delta, some came from other carriers. Many of us have had the opportunity of working with you and enthusiastically embraced you and your visions for our company. We have worked hard to make your transition successful and when we retired to help you build your own management team, you recognized our contributions and rewarded us fairly. Many did not have the opportunity to work with you, but all of us share a common objective. We have always been deeply committed to Delta, its people and Delta's continued success. It is for these reasons we feel compelled to write this letter.

Last spring a number of us were shocked when we learned from sources outside of Delta that a pre-payment of all accrued pension obligations to officers was proposed to the Board shortly after September 11, 2001. The payments, made in the spring of 2002, to the officers (or their trusts) of the present value of the Company's pension obligations were made because of concerns about approaching insolvency so that the Company's obligations to the current officers would not be at risk in the event that the Company should have to file for bankruptcy. The use of over one hundred million dollars of Delta's funds for this purpose, as well as the fact the action was taken in secrecy and only "disclosed" much later in an exhibit to an SEC filing (indicating an intent to keep the full information from shareholders and both active and retired employees), left us in disbelief.

As you know, prior to this pension pre-payment, all officers had been in a single special pension plan unique from other employees in that the majority of our pension payments were just paid from Delta's general funds, as required by the IRS, as opposed to being paid from the Delta Family Care retirement plan. For this reason, when this first came to our attention it appeared that the current officers had fully taken care of themselves, and that all of the retired non-officer employees' pensions would be protected because they were funded out of the Delta retirement plan. It appeared that the only group left whose retirement benefits would be severely exposed in a bankruptcy was approximately 40 retired officers, some of whom, in the event of bankruptcy, could see their pensions reduced by up to 85 percent. For this reason, we sought legal counsel.

Our legal counsel determined that the payments to present executives represented a preferential payment to a group of creditors with immature claims, at a time when the Company was deeply concerned about insolvency, and had other mature unsecured claims which were treated differently. The situation was made worse because the payments were made to insiders. We were advised that the business judgment rule did not abolish the fiduciary duty you have to creditors or else all preferential payments to insiders could be so justified.

As you also know, the above information resulted in our attorneys going so far as drafting a complaint and contacting Delta's attorneys to discuss the proposed lawsuit. Despite Delta's legal counsel's opinion that our case is without merit, we believe it to be a strong, compelling case and were prepared to go forward on behalf of all retired Delta officers as parties to the lawsuit. However, the following recent events and findings have caused us to reconsider legal action:

The sudden United Airlines bankruptcy filing and the resulting media coverage and speculation about the well-being of other carriers.


Your renewed and intense appeals on behalf of the industry to Congress for financial relief.


We learned from several sources, including a UBS Warburg report, that Delta's qualified pension plan is under funded by at least $3.5 billion dollars.


We also learned during the last few weeks of the significant impact a bankruptcy at Delta would have on all employees' pensions (except of course current officers) particularly those who received credit for age/service in early-out packages for the past ten years.
We believe this information to be motivation enough for you to do the right thing for Delta's former and present employees everywhere by rescinding the payments made to or on behalf of current officers. A lawsuit would not only involve a few dozen unsecured creditors but would also include all retired employees, making the suit a major media event. We believe this kind of publicity would be detrimental to the Company, its officers, its board, the shareholders and ultimately all of Delta's employees.

In light of business and industry developments over the past 14 months, the media's focus on corporate misconduct, the reduction of the employees' pension benefits, the necessity to reduce other benefits and staffing at Delta, we are surprised that you have not reconsidered your position related to paying in cash to, or on behalf of, the officers, the Company's accrued obligations to the current officers. In order to ensure that you fully understand the consequences associated with your actions and how the public will view this, we offer the following for consideration:

The idea of paying out the accrued pension liability was conceived in October of 2001 when some officers began to worry about bankruptcy as a result of September 11, 2001. The actual payment of money was delayed until February which had the effect, and perhaps the intent, of avoiding having to reveal it in the Proxy for the April 2002 annual meeting and delaying the financial disclosures until spring of 2003. Additionally, there is a one-year preference period for insiders that ends this coming February which coincidentally, is just before the proxy is released. The fact that this action was not announced and that you continue to withhold the fact of these payments from the employees (unless you consider an included exhibit to a IOQ as a communication) and the retirees, both of whom could be severely impacted, raises an ethical question in our judgment.


The fact that no other public company in the country has incurred the expense and used its cash to make a similar payment also raises disclosure issues.
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2003, 10:02:55 PM »
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In order to prepay these obligations, you took approximately $150 million of the Company's funds for the executives even when you were aware that the Company and its employees were struggling for survival and that the rank and file employees' pension fund was billions of dollars underfunded. To make matters worse, The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported that Delta's share of government financial assistance, as a result of the events which occurred on September 11, 2001, was $150 million net. We doubt the taxpayers or government would be pleased to know their entire financial assistance of $150,000,000 was used to prepay benefits to Delta's already highly compensated officers.

 


As spokesman for the industry, you have been relentless in lobbying Congress for financial relief for all airlines, which is desperately needed. However, by spending hundreds of millions of dollars to provide financial security for the officers, in spite of the threat of insolvency, and to further build their wealth in a post-Enron environment while Delta and the entire industry are in financial crisis and begging for government assistance, is not something the public nor the government would look upon favorably. Indeed, as noted earlier, the action is unique. We believe this will be damaging to your personal reputation and could have a very negative impact not only on Delta, but on the industry as a whole.


During the past 14 months you have required Delta employees to make many sacrifices. They have accepted reductions in their benefit programs, job reassignments and furloughs. Asking them to make these sacrifices while you and the other officers quietly spent millions of dollars prepaying your own benefit plan is morally wrong and violates the trust of Delta employees, retirees, and stockholders.


As was mentioned earlier in this letter, we have learned from pension/ERISA experts, financial professionals, bankruptcy attorneys and government agencies that based on Delta's current pension liability and financial situation, in the event of a bankruptcy at Delta, many retiree pensions would be significantly reduced. We will not go into the details as your finance and human resource department should be quite familiar with this issue. It appears that all retired Officers/Directors' nonqualified pension benefits, which in some individual cases represent as much as 85 percent of their total pension, would go away and would be treated as unsecured debt. Additionally, the qualified pension would also be reduced to reflect the reality of the shortfall in the pension fund, with enhanced benefits (credit for age/service provided in early retirement packages) and benefits over PBGC maximum of $28,000 - $44,000 per year being eliminated first. Therefore, most all retired Officers and Directors regardless of their exposure in the unqualified plan would have their pensions reduced, as would all retired non-pilot employees, particularly those who have taken early retirement packages over the last ten years.


In order to summarize the issues here, you have been concerned enough about bankruptcy to take care of yourselves by paying all of your accrued benefits in cash now (and even causing the Company to "gross up" the prepayment by paying the income tax liability as an additional benefit), yet you have encouraged employees to take early retirement packages knowing full well that they would not receive the promised benefit if the Company goes bankrupt. Additionally, you have made no attempt to inform the thousands of employees who have already retired of the impact of insolvency on their pensions, particularly early retirees.

We assume that you will have to mention the dollar cost of these payments in the proxy for 2003. Based upon the previous limited disclosures, we assume it will be mentioned as little as possible. It will be difficult to characterize this publicly as a retention issue when you have already spent millions of dollars on bonuses for officers/directors, established a bonus program for those staying for a few years, and have issued two stock options within the year at deflated prices to be vested in one year. Additionally, many of the current Officers/Directors have less than six years of service but were given pension credit for as much as twenty years of service when they joined the Company. They are all highly paid, many receiving significant signing bonuses, restricted stock, large stock option grants, employment contracts and a multitude of other perks and expenses associated with their employment and positions. They are hardly destitute or in need of special, unusual pension payments not afforded to other employees. Just characterizing payments as made for "retention purposes" does not shield the payments from creditors' claims. If such were the case there would be no need for lengthy insider preference periods as well as the imposition of very high levels of fiduciary responsibility to creditors on officers when a company is in the vicinity of insolvency.


We are concerned that when the proxy comes out, you will try to characterize the payments made to the officers' individual trusts as being similar to the cash balance plan for current employees and done early as a precursor to their plan change. The fact that the cash balance plan results in LOWER pensions on average (how else would you reduce pension costs for the rank and file by $500,000,000?) while you spent millions of dollars to make payments to or for officers based on the FULL VALUE of their accrued benefits (including a gross up to provide money for the executives to pay taxes they would have otherwise had to pay themselves), shows that there is no comparison to the employee plan. Any attempt to try and make that comparison will further erode your credibility when the details of your payments are revealed.


Throughout Delta's history, officers have always had their incentives tied to making the Company successful. The payments you have made in satisfaction of the officers' accrued pension liabilities as well as the Bonus Plan for three years will shelter the officer if the company he/she serves fails. It would appear bankruptcy is no longer considered a last resort, but will now become just another strategic plan alternative to eliminate costs (including pension liability) and force pay concessions. We see little incentive now for you or the present executives to attempt to avoid bankruptcy after the insider preference period expires in February.
In summary, it seems unconscionable that thousands of employees who have worked and sacrificed to build the Company, which created a career opportunity for you and the other officers, have been left to fend for ourselves, while you and the current officers continue to use Company funds to build your wealth and future financial security at the expense of all other Delta stakeholders. At a recent analyst conference you were quoted as saying "the airlines are not seeking special treatment, but an end to special treatment". In short we are asking you to end the special treatment for yourselves.

We recognize that our mutual and ultimate goal must be to secure the long term viability of Delta Air Lines and to avoid bankruptcy. We therefore respectfully implore you and your management team to accelerate and move decisively to execute your recovery business plan and make those difficult, but absolutely necessary, decisions that will reverse the unacceptable and unsustainable, financial hemorrhaging.

Delta's competitive advantage has always been its people. The Delta family made up of thousands of retired and current employees is poised to stand shoulder to shoulder with you to do whatever is necessary to avoid bankruptcy and secure Delta's future. We call upon you to lead us with a commitment of SHARED sacrifice and risk.

For the reasons we have articulated in this letter, we are asking you to immediately rescind the pension change for current officers and return the money to the Company and share in the risks and sacrifices of the other employees and retirees. We believe that to do otherwise will cause harm for our Company and will hinder your ability to seek the trust and cooperation of the government, shareholders, retirees and employees in the future. In short, we urge you to do the right thing.

We request that you or Bob Harkey communicate your response to the issues expressed in the letter by February 5, 2003 to Dean Booth, the attorney who represents the undersigned partial list of retired officers/directors. Otherwise, we will be compelled to consider further action. Very truly yours,

Robert Adams
H.C. Alger
Bill Berry
Marty Braham
Pete Caldwell
Jim Callison
Robert Coggin
Richard Colby
Bob Cowart
Russ Crawford
John Davis
W.E. Doll
Doug Dunn
David Greenberg
Julius Gwin
Whit Hawkins
Russ Heil
John Hoover
John Hume
Dave Huss
Marvin Johnson
Julian May
Rex McClelland
Robert Oppenlander
Foy Phillips
Jenny Poole
Tom Roeck
Bobby Suggs
C.A. Thompson
Maurice Worth

cc: Ed Budd, Chairman Personnel and Compensation Committee
Board of Directors

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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2003, 10:40:11 PM »
Tell me how bad the Unions are again?

These guys took the $150 million of US taxpayer assistance (100% of it.. ALL of it)  to Delta and put it in their pockets.

Which comes first? Bad management or Unions?

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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2003, 10:42:32 PM »
they sound so... so...

french.


;)


can we shoot 'em?
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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2003, 10:45:25 PM »
OK by me. I'm shootin' 'em the middle finger ASAP.  :D
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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2003, 11:03:15 PM »
The question is who's worse Toad.  Not who's better.

I'm going to step on a soapbox here...

You have made more money in your career with United than most of us will ever see.  If you took the average salary around here and subtracted that from what you've made... you'd have a hell of a retirement left over.  The rest of that money is what is called "luxury".

Unions were established to ensure that people got the necesseties... not the luxuries.  Somewhere... that got out of hand.  Those running the unions would have done the same as those running your company.  Neither is a saint.

I feel bad that you have been put in an umbiguous situation.  Uncertainty is never a good thing and I don't wish it upon anyone.  But please realize that most of the people you are posting these messages in front of have lived with that kind of uncertanty most of their lives.  Count your blessings.

United is being mismanaged.  That is clear.  Whether or not the unions played a part in their downfall is somewhat murky.

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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2003, 11:10:15 PM »
oh, horsepucky.

company entered into a contract. now it's handing it's executives golden parachutes, and selling the emplyees down the river.

with our tax money.
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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2003, 11:15:42 PM »
Mini, do a search for this phrase:

The only thing worse than a Union is no Union.

Put that in, you'll find a bunch of my posts.

BTW, I work for DAL, not UAL.

There's LOTS of careers that pay more than mine. Far more. No tears here, this is the one I chose and it was good to me. But I don't accept the idea that I was overcompensated.

Those of you that haven't done the job have no idea what it took and what it can cost in personal terms.

I started on this path before I graduated high school. Planned it out, did what had to be done to qualify. When I sent out my applications to 34 airlines, one replied they had got it. A year later, they wrote and said come to an interview and I got hired. That was the only response I got and it paid off. I competed with 33,000 other applications on file at that time and was one of 360 that was hired during that period.

I KNOW that I've successfully managed situations that could easily have resulted in loss of life measured in the hundreds had they been mishandled in the least.

In short, I'm not a bit embarassed about what I earned. Just like a lot of other professionals in a lot of other professions.

It's over now and that's fine. I'm not going to miss it a bit, although it means I'll be finding new work. THIS time, I'll be the boss, whatever it turns out to be.. even if it's a mowing lawns by myself.

And I'll tell you what... if I'm ever presiding over a company with employees, I sure as hell won't be as dishonest as the people detailed above.

The reason there are Unions is because there are people like that running the companies. They'd steal their own mother's last crust of bread and feed it to their poodle.

And that's the point of this whole thread.


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