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« on: March 29, 2003, 03:39:45 PM »
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1521&e=4&u=/afp/20030329/pl_afp/iraq_war_us_planners_030329210803

Looks like we have another McNamara on our hands here....


NEVER LET A F***IN POLITICIAN RUN A WAR!!!

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2003, 03:48:30 PM »
Yep I've been worried about that for a while.  Ever since they started debating the budget for the war.  If budget is a factor in your military decisions then you need to reconsider why you are going to war in the first place.

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2003, 03:52:48 PM »
i have no worries..we are kicking the sht out of Iraq...

You will always have guys crying that they want more stuff for there men..it will never be good enough..


Remeinds me of Sub Commanders and Battleship commanders...

Who wants to ever run "only 100" men..they always want to cammand the BIGGEST!!


I have no worries...we are regrouping and are going to smash whats left of Iraq army...

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2003, 03:59:49 PM »
Rumsfeld "Offered Help to Saddam"
By Julian Borgor
Guardian
December 31, 2002

The Reagan administration and its special Middle East envoy, Donald Rumsfeld, did little to stop Iraq developing weapons of mass destruction in the 1980s, even though they knew Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons "almost daily" against Iran, it was reported yesterday.

US support for Baghdad during the Iran-Iraq war as a bulwark against Shi'ite militancy has been well known for some time, but using declassified government documents, the Washington Post provided new details yesterday about Mr Rumsfeld's role, and about the extent of the Reagan administration's knowledge of the use of chemical weapons.

The details will embarrass Mr Rumsfeld, who as defence secretary in the Bush administration is one of the leading hawks on Iraq, frequently denouncing it for its past use of such weapons.

The US provided less conventional military equipment than British or German companies but it did allow the export of biological agents, including anthrax; vital ingredients for chemical weapons; and cluster bombs sold by a CIA front organisation in Chile, the report says.

Intelligence on Iranian troop movements was provided, despite detailed knowledge of Iraq's use of nerve gas.

Rick Francona, an ex-army intelligence lieutenant-colonel who served in the US embassy in Baghdad in 1987 and 1988, told the Guardian: "We believed the Iraqis were using mustard gas all through the war, but that was not as sinister as nerve gas.

"They started using tabun [a nerve gas] as early as '83 or '84, but in a very limited way. They were probably figuring out how to use it. And in '88, they developed sarin."

On November 1 1983, the secretary of state, George Shultz, was passed intelligence reports of "almost daily use of CW [chemical weapons]" by Iraq.

However, 25 days later, Ronald Reagan signed a secret order instructing the administration to do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq losing the war.

In December Mr Rumsfeld, hired by President Reagan to serve as a Middle East troubleshooter, met Saddam Hussein in Baghdad and passed on the US willingness to help his regime and restore full diplomatic relations.

Mr Rumsfeld has said that he "cautioned" the Iraqi leader against using banned weapons. But there was no mention of such a warning in state department notes of the meeting.

Howard Teicher, an Iraq specialist in the Reagan White House, testified in a 1995 affidavit that the then CIA director, William Casey, used a Chilean firm, Cardoen, to send cluster bombs to use against Iran's "human wave" attacks.

A 1994 congressional inquiry also found that dozens of biological agents, including various strains of anthrax, had been shipped to Iraq by US companies, under licence from the commerce department.

Furthermore, in 1988, the Dow Chemical company sold $1.5m-worth (£930,000) of pesticides to Iraq despite suspicions they would be used for chemical warfare.

The only occasion that Iraq's use of banned weapons seems to have worried the Reagan administration came in 1988, after Lt Col Francona toured the battlefield on the al-Faw peninsula in southern Iraq and reported signs of sarin gas.

"When I was walking around I saw atropine injectors lying around. We saw decontamination fluid on vehicles, there were no insects," said Mr Francona, who has written a book on shifting US policy to Iraq titled Ally to Adversary. "There was a very quick response from Washington saying, 'Let's stop our cooperation' but it didn't last long - just weeks."

 Richard Perle as 1 of the warmongers  has already gone, when will Oil- err Rums-feld and the others follow?

It's about time!



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America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous, it's an "Angriffskrieg"


2 Million people was killed in Vietnam, 3 million injured. What for?

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2003, 04:00:48 PM »
Personally... I'm glad Rum's made the decisions he did.  We're doing a fine job as is and we can't send our entire freekin military to just one spot in the world.  As for that guy who used the line "Were losing people"... well, we COULD have our entire arsenal employed, but we'd still lose guys on the ground.  Thats war.

IMHO, Gen Franks and crew should have been getting more forces pre-positioned earlier... it aint like they didn't have 12yrs to plan ahead.
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2003, 04:02:00 PM »
blitz , the 1980's were 20 years ago , you better update your hard drive.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2003, 04:16:19 PM »
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blitz , the 1980's were 20 years ago , you better update your hard drive.



http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html


Very long time, indeed !



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America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous, it's an "Angriffskrieg"


2 Million people was killed in Vietnam, 3 million injured. What for?

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2003, 04:24:33 PM »
KEKEKEKE ^_^ HUK HUK BAD MANNER






Germany was threatened by France/Poland/Belgium/ETC in no way, it was just plain ridiculous, it's a "nazi thing".


50 Million people was killed by Germany, millions more injured.  For what?


Regards, Gman.

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2003, 04:32:37 PM »
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KEKEKEKE ^_^ HUK HUK BAD MANNER






Germany was threatened by France/Poland/Belgium/ETC in no way, it was just plain ridiculous, it's a "nazi thing".


50 Million people was killed by Germany, millions more injured.  For what?


Regards, Gman.




They were murdered for the idea of "Großdeutschland" which was an evil idea right from the beginning and i guess ya goverment doesn't want to dress with stinkin shoes like that, doesn't they?


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America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous, it's an "Angriffskrieg"


2 Million people was killed in Vietnam, 3 million injured. What for?
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2003, 04:50:25 PM »
Originally posted by blitz
2 Million people was killed in Vietnam, 3 million injured. What for?

ill tell you what for dude to try and prevent the murder of innocent civilians that took place under communist rule in 'reunited' VN. more innocent civilians were murdered in 1 year of communist peace than were killed in combat during 10 years of American lead war. who supplied the arty tanks ammo aircraft to NVN when they attacked to 'liberate' SVN? please note that the aim of  America was to preserve SVN as a country not to take over NVN. if it was really a war of liberation and unification why were so many innocent vietnamese brothers put to death for crimes such as being educated? when you visit America visit some of the VN communities in our major cities and ask them why they left 'reunited' VN by boat to come to America. heres a hint it wasnt for job opportunities.

SECDEF is a smart dude. he gets negative comments from some in military because he doesnt automatically hold all SOP as sacred. be glad hes there look at cancellation of SP arty system he really bucked good old boy network to do that so money could be spent to make military more effective. hes way smarter and has way better grip on military reality than McNamara ever did.

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2003, 04:51:08 PM »
Bring back stormin Norman!!

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2003, 04:51:57 PM »
What kind of guy can think that  ?:

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Rick Francona, an ex-army intelligence lieutenant-colonel who served in the US embassy in Baghdad in 1987 and 1988, told the Guardian: "We believed the Iraqis were using mustard gas all through the war, but that was not as sinister as nerve gas.


intelligence  ? were ?

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2003, 04:57:57 PM »
I want to hear more revelations about the peace that US military brought to Vietnamese people.

Song Mi had the only purpose to bring Peace and Democracy to Vietnam.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2003, 05:00:19 PM »
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Originally posted by blitz
2 Million people was killed in Vietnam, 3 million injured. What for?

ill tell you what for dude to try and prevent the murder of innocent civilians that took place under communist rule in 'reunited' VN. more innocent civilians were murdered in 1 year of communist peace than were killed in combat during 10 years of American lead war. who supplied the arty tanks ammo aircraft to NVN when they attacked to 'liberate' SVN? please note that the aim of  America was to preserve SVN as a country not to take over NVN. if it was really a war of liberation and unification why were so many innocent vietnamese brothers put to death for crimes such as being educated? when you visit America visit some of the VN communities in our major cities and ask them why they left 'reunited' VN by boat to come to America. heres a hint it wasnt for job opportunities.

SECDEF is a smart dude. he gets negative comments from some in military because he doesnt automatically hold all SOP as sacred. be glad hes there look at cancellation of SP arty system he really bucked good old boy network to do that so money could be spent to make military more effective. hes way smarter and has way better grip on military reality than McNamara ever did.


Hey, Mr. No-Name get some balls, nobody will harm you :)


Regards Blitz






America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous, it's an "Angriffskrieg"


2 Million people was killed in Vietnam, 3 million injured. What for?

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2003, 06:25:08 PM »
Blitz..grab your left leaning Urinal again!!..lolol..the guardian..lmfao..

You should hang out with  the" radio intercepts"..

Or the "un-named senior military commander"...



Blitz Says"Germany never threatend anyone..ever"

Blitz says " The Holocuast  never happened...ever"



yes Blitz..We are just like Germany..One big Santa Klaus..with gifts for everyone!!!!...WAIT!! I think Santa Got you a bulldozer!..go and play near it!!


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