yak9t and ns 37 37mm

[lord dolf vader]

i have been flying this aircraft a bit of late and find it a excelent all around plane. one problem i have is the 37 mm is not very usefull on tanks and usless on tigers. I wont claim i have done a scietific study but last night we had a tiger sit an take hits for a half hour outside one of our bases ( mine die in one hit fine, go figgure)

i hit him in at least 15 different sortys from rear ground level to pure vertical. literaly pasted the whole tiger and not one bit of damage . probly 200 250 total hits.


here is tony williams site on the ns 37 37mm

"The powerful 37x195 ammunition is quoted as penetrating 48mm/500m/90 degrees, enough to pose a threat to the side or rear armour of virtually any tank. The 45x185 cartridge of the NS-45 increased this to around 58mm."

source

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm

i usualy dont fire till under 500 yards so i should be getting some penetration no ?


according to this site if i understand it correctly the entire upper surface of the tiger should be vunrable. with 2.5 mm of armor compaired with the ns 37 48/58mm  90deg at 500 yards penetration. you would probly get penetration far off the perfect 90 deg angle with the extra 33mm of penetration no ? why the bullet pruf tiger?

http://afvdb.50megs.com/germany/pz6.html


pz4s will die but usualy takes several hits.
should go thru them like butter literaly from front dead on if i read this correctly

http://afvdb.50megs.com/germany/pz4.html

went and looked up why i believe its weak with stats.
if im right and its broke htc please fix. no wonder this plane is so little used if its shooting 1/4 its power.

discussion?

[Tony Williams]

I don't know what ammunition is assumed for the Yak-9T in the sim, but in RL it was a fighter not a ground attack plane, so normally would have carried HE - not much good against tanks.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and Discussion forum

[LLv34_Snefens]

Yeah depends on if we have AP,  HE or HEI.
If we have HE rounds then it's no wonder that it's not good against armor. If we have AP it should be able to penetrate the tiger's top armor, but little else (min. armor is 60mm elsewhere)
The AP should penetrate the PzIVH from all but frontal attacks, if the angle is somewhat 90 degree on the surface.
Hasn't it been stated that we only have some sort of hybrid rounds for the AH-guns, and not pure HE or AP. I believe the specific discussion was about the Hispano.

http://www.geocities.com/russianammo/37mm.html

The above site seems to be down from time to time.

[lord dolf vader]

wow nice site thanks tony.

i was under the impression the 9t was a soviet tank buster. and with stats like that (if ap was available) it would be if im not mistaken.


does the mixed effect ap/he effect all rounds the same. for instance some 20mm are not ever pure ap rounds as i understand. and im shure somewhere we have a gun that shoots nothing but he. also the guns that fire selectable ap/he. anyone got any idea how this works.


also the site tony just posted showed two different ammos for the ns 37. a he and a ap anyone know definativly what we have ?  (m3s dont show the holes with no damage they do from tank ap rounds so im thinking tonys right with the he. i have yet to have a fighter survive 1 round .