Author Topic: Straffo (Read 578 times)

Hangtime · « **on:** March 30, 2003, 06:40:07 PM »

Saintaw indicated that I am in error.. that you do not in fact support chirac, that you would in fact not vote for him and that you do not support the french governments attempt to fracture NATO and it's blanket veto in the UN.

is this true?

Stringer · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2003, 06:41:11 PM »

Saw was drunk at the time....drinking beer he should be sending to me!!

straffo · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2003, 12:47:56 AM »

Partially , I don't support Chirac politically (he don't represent my thought).

I voted for him only because at the time of the presidential election the only choice was between him and our local version of Hitler (not a real choice).

And I do think he managed the crisis between USA and Francel like an prettythang,I'm sure we could have made an agreement about Iraq with a bit more of diplomatie between USA and France.

It still won't change the fact that I'm a proud citizen of my country and that each time you post an horror about my country I go orbital.

Thanks for the question anyway (it was time

)

Saintaw · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:44:51 AM »

... and, I am never drunk!

PS: I second what Straffo said on the last French election, it was a big uproar over there , as the French had to pick between two pr*cks, and had to go for the lesser evil. I believe most poeple had to make that choice.

I'm not french, only a neighbour (who's government is nothing but a puppy of France sometimes

). You'll understand I take it as an insult whenever you are basing europeans, putting us all in the same bag...

There are probably more poeple in France supporting the war than you think, not because they are Yanks fans, just because of the high rate of Arabic immigration we have here in northern Europe (If I look out my window, I'll swear... at least 1/4 of the population of Brussels are from Arabic/North African origin).

There is a lot of racism against these poeple here (It's not new, has been like this for a long time). So.... there's a lot of "Yeah, let's go kick 'em" around here. And I know Racism is even stronger in France.

I make business with the US everyday, Thank god there are still poeple out there who does not confuse a europeans cytisen with a Chirac.

OZkansas · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:48:59 AM »

Chirac and Saddam are long time good buddies. With Chirac it's all about money, oil, and hiding stuff exported to Iraq while sanctions were in place.

Nothing more and nothing less. It's too bad the french people have been fooled by Chirac!!

Saintaw · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:56:53 AM »

Oz, don't ya have a fire to put out somewhere?

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2003, 02:21:08 AM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
Chirac and Saddam are long time good buddies. With Chirac it's all about money, oil, and hiding stuff exported to Iraq while sanctions were in place.

Nothing more and nothing less. It's too bad the french people have been fooled by Chirac!!

And with Bush its all about the oil.

Yeah, we've all seen these tired, simple platitudes brought out to incite the masses before, but you know what?

Simplistic slogans never tell the truth. The purpose of slogans is always to distort the truth to seem favorable to one particular view.

The truth is always more complex and less satisfying.

Spooky · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2003, 08:11:06 AM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
Chirac and Saddam are long time good buddies. With Chirac it's all about money, oil, and hiding stuff exported to Iraq while sanctions were in place.

Nothing more and nothing less. It's too bad the french people have been fooled by Chirac!!

Yep ,Saddam was "one of the good guys" in the 80's, against Iran.

You guys seem to have a selective memory these days...

funkedup · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2003, 01:31:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
I'm not french

LIAR!

Puke · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2003, 03:50:17 PM »

I'm not sure I'd ever make the statement "Saddam was one of the good guys to the USA in the 80's."

I had to do an oral presentation in college almost 20-years ago and I actually chose this topic. (Mostly because I was interested in how the Iranians were using the F-14 Tomcat as an AWACS.) Anyway, what I got from my research was that it's really more one of those situations where you don't want one side losing because it would create a vacuum in the region and thus the USA only supported Iraq in-so-much that it wouldn't be overthrown. Iraq was still mostly supplied with USSR equipment, look at what they used in the first Gulf War in 1991 if you can remember that. Though I think it really dumb of the USA to supply Saddam with biological warfare weapons to use just in case his country is starting to fall (and which Saddam immediatly used on the battlefield.) As a USA citizen, I will say that was dumb of us.

Iraq's air order of battle for 1985:
MiG19 (F-6, from China)
MiG-21, 25, 17, 23, 27
SU-7,20/22
Mirage F.1EQ, Super Etendard, Hunter, Gazelle, Alouette 3
Mi-4,8, TU22, TU134, Il76, Il28

That's most of it, I left most of the transport stuff out. It looks as though he was a "good guy" to France and USSR as well. I note no US aircraft in his inventory.

Hangtime · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2003, 08:14:17 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Partially , I don't support Chirac politically (he don't represent my thought).

I voted for him only because at the time of the presidential election the only choice was between him and our local version of Hitler (not a real choice).

And I do think he managed the crisis between USA and Francel like an prettythang,I'm sure we could have made an agreement about Iraq with a bit more of diplomatie between USA and France.

It still won't change the fact that I'm a proud citizen of my country and that each time you post an horror about my country I go orbital.

Thanks for the question anyway (it was time )

Ok.. annother set of questions.

Why is France blocking efforts to remove saddam?

(please.. don't ply us with 'diplomatic' solutions. 13 years of diplomacy solved NOTHING)

How do you feel about having yourself lumped in with the overwhelming majority of public opinion in france against americas intervention.. and, have you attempted to distance yourself from the apologists?

What do you think would be appropriate action by France to repair the rift between our two nations?

Why have we seen NO actvity on this board from folks in France to clairify their opinion if it is in essence diffrent from Chiracs?

thanks for your attention, straffo.

straffo · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2003, 01:06:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Ok.. annother set of questions.

Why is France blocking efforts to remove saddam?

(please.. don't ply us with 'diplomatic' solutions. 13 years of diplomacy solved NOTHING)

IMO to avoid creating "à précédent" ,as is it left the door open to any country to act like the US in any circumstances (I don't think it should be seen as an unconditionnal support of Saddam)

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How do you feel about having yourself lumped in with the overwhelming majority of public opinion in france against americas intervention.. and, have you attempted to distance yourself from the apologists?

no because, I share some of their opinion (but not all) I'm anti-war myself and anti-saddam ...a position pretty difficult as you can guess.

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What do you think would be appropriate action by France to repair the rift between our two nations?

I think that both country should act together to repair this crisis,after all we are not at war no ?

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Why have we seen NO actvity on this board from folks in France to clairify their opinion if it is in essence diffrent from Chiracs?

Because when I feel agressed I answer the agression first,I'm not an anti-american at hearth, I disagree with some french act like I can disagree with some US act.
And in this BBS I'm a bit a lonely frenchman and I can't speak for all the french I can only speak for me.

regards
Frédéric

PS : the problem with this board (like with other) is in the interpretation other's post, my not so good english make sometime my post hard to understand and my "twisted" reasoning is hard to follow too

(even in french

)

btw I don't think the current crisis between USA and France will last long, we have more in common than differences.

Saintaw · « **Reply #12 on:** April 01, 2003, 01:44:54 AM »

To complement what Straffo says here:

We also have to avoid all the projectiles thrown at us, not an easy task to do when you are trying to speak your mind

Also have the feeling that whatever one would post would be answered by anal retentive "French are only able to surrender" comments and the like.

Were you not defending your country on this BBS when someone here was on an American bashing post spree ? Why should Straffo do differently ?

No other country look more alike than the US / France to my eyes (I'm talking about how the respective cityzens see their country, not geopolitics).

To Straffo :
Now, the only thing I despise in this is that I am no longer able to make jokes about the French, too many around already to have one that would still be funny

straffo · « **Reply #13 on:** April 01, 2003, 01:50:11 AM »

tu peux toujours j'ai la peau plutot épaisse

Ca détend de pouvoir poster dans sa langue et être presque sur d'être compris dans le bon sens

Torque · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2003, 03:01:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Spooky

Yep ,Saddam was "one of the good guys" in the 80's, against Iran.

You guys seem to have a selective memory these days...

Debating the magic bullet theory with cowboys is a lost cause.