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AKIron · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2003, 11:22:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
I can't be the only one that finds the fact that the U.S. is upset about someone selling the Iraqis night vision goggles hillarious.

I don't find it hillarious that Iraqis are being given tools that will result in the deaths of US troops. Providing information on troop deployments and equipment that will aid the Iraqis in killing US troops when they would be unable to otherwise doesn't even give me a chuckle. It would piss me off to the point where I would consider doing something about it.

Mini D · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2003, 11:26:09 AM »

Iron.. the point is.. its not only an act of war when someone else does something about it.

What was shooting down Soviet Helocopters in Afghanistan? Why?... because of a 30 year old grudge.

Virtually every soldier who has died from every nationality in the last 30 years has been killed with weapons purchased from another country. The U.S., France, Russia, China all have contributed to the deaths of each other's soldiers.

Once again... I'd much rather see strict arms sales limitations in place than simply getting pissed about someone doing the same thing you'd be doing if in their shoes.

BTW... I don't believe the French are giving the Iraqis information that CNN isn't already giving them.

MiniD

Spooky · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2003, 11:40:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
So far we've had french scuds

French Scuds ? that's a Russian missile AFAIK.

France sold Mirages F1, Super Etendard fighter bombers and Exocet missiles to Iraq.

That was back in the 80's, when Iran was the menace: Saddam was considered an allied of the west and a rempart against the fundamentalists...

The american government had nothing against Western nations selling weapons to Iraq then: it used to piss the Russians and the Iranians off.
They even facilitated some deals, and never opposed one.

I'm not a fan of Chirac (Mr opportunist) and in no way anti-american, but some people lately tend to rewrite history and have a selective memory !

The world is not divided in convenient black and white : welcome to the shades of gray of real politik !

-dead- · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2003, 11:45:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
And what would be the opinions around the world if it became known the French were supplying Iraq with current Intel on coalition forces?

Most of the world would probably be fine with that - such is the current state of the "coalition".

AKIron · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2003, 11:47:27 AM »

Mini D, it's one thing to sell arms to Iraq even though forbidden by UN resolution. It's another to provide them military aid when we are fighting them.

Regarding the former USSR, we had many run ins with them over the decades, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and who knows where else. These engagements were limited only because unrestrained escalation was unthinkable. Syria for certain, and France possibly, don't share the restraint engendering capabilities of the former USSR.

Martlet · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2003, 11:47:51 AM »

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Originally posted by -dead-
Most of the world would probably be fine with that - such is the current state of the "coalition".

66 countries and growing.

-dead- · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2003, 12:11:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
66 countries and growing.

Well I'll go with the whitehouse.gov's 49 for now (A telling indictment in itself, if even the Whitehouse doesn't think the coalition's membership is important enough to update their site when they get more). But still only 5 fielding troops in Iraq (although the US was none too happy about Turkey's contribution IIRC). Only 4 in numbers over 200. The rest are with you all the way in spirit only (as soon as the cheque clears, naturally).

Turdboy · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2003, 12:31:19 PM »

Here is the list of people who care!

1)

straffo · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2003, 12:35:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
66 countries and growing.

please provide the complete list.

straffo · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2003, 12:36:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
And what would be the opinions around the world if it became known the French were supplying Iraq with current Intel on coalition forces?

put that bottle ,NOW !

Mini D · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2003, 12:39:14 PM »

Spooky... thanks for clearing up the mistake. I was thinking exocet because of the Stark incident.

I still maintain that the countries supporting saddams regime are the biggest contributors to his arsenal.

MiniD

Hortlund · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2003, 12:43:17 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
put that bottle ,NOW !

...or you'll surrender?

straffo · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2003, 12:46:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
...or you'll surrender?

or I'll make him swallow it.

the smilie was stuck in the keyboard

it's sounded more harsh than I wanted .

-dead- · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2003, 02:23:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Turdboy
Here is the list of people who care!

1)

My inital point exactly

blitz · « **Reply #29 on:** March 31, 2003, 02:40:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
And what would be the opinions around the world if it became known the French were supplying Iraq with current Intel on coalition forces?

Liar

Regards Blitz

America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous - it's an "Angriffskrieg"