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Offline Saintaw

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« on: April 01, 2003, 02:00:18 AM »
I might be a train late here, but...

Is it true that GWB stated something in the like of "I had a vision from God" when starting the Iraqui thing ? If you add to that the day of "Jeune" (Dunno how to say that in English... "a day without eating").

Now, that woudn't be the smartest thing to do in my eyes... (bringing religion into this conflict) especially when you think how the Arab world will see this (we do know how religiously itchy muslims can be, right ?). This definately will not help. This would look no different to them than for us seeing that Mullah with an AK in his church...

If that statement is incorrect, please disregard, I had this info 2nd hand.
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2003, 03:51:34 AM »
Bringing religion into the war is exactly what Bin Laden and his cronies had in mind...

God should start throwing lightning bolts every which way very soon if He is still in His right mind ....

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2003, 05:34:30 AM »
love to see christians justify to christ an aggresive war of any type.

im not a christian but its clear, murder = hell murder in the name of god = extra bad hell.


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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2003, 03:56:58 PM »
Monday, 17.09.2001
Crusade (with a lower case 'c') is an unfortunate word used in the context by George W. Bush. It has undertone of the religious element (i.e. anti-Islam) and historically the Crusaders were a brutal lot - killing and pillaging Jews and Muslims not only in the Holy Land but on their way. Anyway that leads to the question why some people hate the West and in particular USA? Here I can only speculate because I'm not one of them (I at times disagree and dislike but not detest). The question should reformulated thus: why would anyone hate someone or something? Hate is a very strong emotion which is not lightly experienced. You probably feel hate when something or someone you cherish or hold dear is destroyed or killed and when something or someone can be blamed for it. America, justifiably or unjustifiably, has been identified by many who have suffered materially, feel their personal lives threatened, lost relatives and resent the Western values and ideologies as their oppressors. The paradox, if it can be said, is that this hate is magnified by this awareness of the impersonal presence of the USA but also of huge ignorance of what USA is like and what the Americans are like - how many of these have been to America and have met Americans, I wonder. Here is the medium-term problem - how to reconcile the aspirations of these people with that of ours? That cannot be done by force (short-term solution as in yesterday's entry) but change of how the Western governments act and how we see the other. The longer-term aim is to ensure the mutual acceptance of the others in a pluralised world. I fear, though, it is easier to be led to hate through ignorance than daring to know the unkown in an unprejudiced way.



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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2003, 04:24:33 PM »
blah blah blah, let us make a big thing about nothing to make the USA the devil and saddam  (the butcher of bagdad) some kind of saintly hero of islam. you defenders of the butcher of bagdad make me sick.
 
 face reality, saddam and his butchers will die, and all your lies will not save him.

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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2003, 04:24:42 PM »
Crusades are fun but the Almohads are such party poopers and dont want to play along, their Urban militia are just like N1ks
plus why do my crusades have to go in a straight line on shortest route, while the friggen french can take the scenic route to the Levant through scotland and ireland grubbing up my Gallowglasses and clansmen?

Though seeing 1300 frenchmen running from a few guys on camels is quite the sight to behold :D
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2003, 04:31:07 PM »
Yes, it is true although those weren't his words..and when I heard them it gave me pause.

But it was one quote among many and I can't be sure that he said anything as strong as what was reported (media bias)

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2003, 04:33:57 PM »
How about "God hates people who smash airplanes into buildings and people who build very dangerous weapons and try to sell them to said terrorists"

Time for Jesus to beat up Allah.

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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2003, 04:47:20 PM »
Thank you Kanth.

To the other yapping idjits: When did I say I was in favour of Sadaam ? quote me.
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2003, 04:55:50 PM »
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love to see christians justify to christ an aggresive war of any type.

im not a christian but its clear, murder = hell murder in the name of god = extra bad hell.


pain trains commin bush.


In the Old Testament the ancient Hebrews went to war many times with God's blessing.
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2003, 06:02:45 PM »
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If that statement is incorrect, please disregard, I had this info 2nd hand.


It is and I will.

I don't have the memory I usta nor the facts at hand but it seems I've read that most of the Crusades were launched by Christians after much harrassment by Muslims. I'll go diggin' if anyone wants to discuss it.
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2003, 07:57:14 PM »
Muslims were in Europe in as far as Spain.  That was my understanding.

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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2003, 08:02:31 PM »
I think they made it into France or close.

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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2003, 08:09:40 PM »
How can religion not be involved in this when Mad Chimp is a direct spokesman for The Great Sky Chimp.

As absurd as it sounds soldiers in the field have been given pamphlets and asked to pray for Bush.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s819685.htm

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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2003, 08:10:25 PM »
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Originally posted by davidpt40
How about "God hates people who smash airplanes into buildings and people who build very dangerous weapons and try to sell them to said terrorists"

Time for Jesus to beat up Allah.




Allah is arabic for God
They dont worship a different God.