Author Topic: A must-read on the war (Read 636 times)

Hortlund · « **on:** April 01, 2003, 07:01:45 AM »

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000039.html

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AKWeav · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2003, 07:49:36 AM »

Not necessarily a must read. Typical anti war crap.

ra · « **Reply #2 on:** April 01, 2003, 07:52:03 AM »

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Not necessarily a must read. Typical anti war crap.

Try reading it.

Hortlund · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2003, 07:54:15 AM »

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Originally posted by AKWeav
Not necessarily a must read. Typical anti war crap.

LOL a classic.

Naso · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2003, 07:56:27 AM »

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Originally posted by AKWeav
Not necessarily a must read. Typical anti war crap.

ROTFLMAO!!

Swag Abroad · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2003, 08:42:56 AM »

An impessive read.

Nicely done!!

Thanks for the direction to this Hort!

miko2d · « **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2003, 09:03:10 AM »

That quote must be a fake - by 1864 Lincoln had opposition newspapers closed and critics and political opponents jailed or lynched.

miko

Hortlund · « **Reply #7 on:** April 01, 2003, 09:07:56 AM »

Gut feeling huh?

Pongo · « **Reply #8 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:17:07 PM »

Very stirring. The man makes a good case for Iraq.
He would unfortunatley make a great case for Vietnam as well.
Now that he has fully experianced Footes "The Civil War" I recomend he round out his reading of that era with "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee". And walk those battle fields, and feel the chill of nation building shiver up his spine.

I have only read half of it. But I will finish it.

AKWeav · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:24:25 PM »

Quote:"Why do we do this? What could possibly be worth this?

This war is an abject and utter failure. What everyone thought would be a quick, decisive victory has turned into an embarrassing series of reversals. The enemy, -- a ragtag, badly-fed collection of hotheads and fanatics – has failed to be shocked and awed by the most magnificent military machine ever fielded. Their dogged resistance has shown us the futility of the idea that a nation of millions could ever be subjugated and administered, no matter what obscene price we are willing to pay in blood and money."

As I said, typical anti-war crap, Peter himself couldn't have expressed it better.

miko2d · « **Reply #10 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:25:31 PM »

Pongo: Very stirring. The man makes a good case for Iraq.
He would unfortunatley make a great case for Vietnam as well.

That is intended as irony and it's valid, but you miss a bigger point here.

There are often trully good reasons for wars but states must not engage in them other then for defence.
Whoever feels the need to liberate the oppressed iraqis or kurds or whoever, can volunteer or hire as a mercenary. Or send his children if too old to go himself - though i never understood why it makes more sense to waste young people rather than elderly. In a guerilla or "liberation" conflict.

miko

john9001 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:39:34 PM »

"""futility of the idea that a nation of millions could ever be subjugated and administered"""

saddam did it, and is still doing it.

AKWeav · « **Reply #12 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:51:24 PM »

Quote:"There are often trully good reasons for wars but states must not engage in them other then for defence. Whoever feels the need to liberate the oppressed iraqis or kurds or whoever,"

Should we wait until thousands lie dead in an american city from WMDwhich terrorist obtained from Saddam?

This war is a pre-emtive defensive action. The fact that a horribly oppressed people could be liberated as a by product is ok with me also.

9-11 changed the world in many ways. Some folks are slow to comprehend those changes.

Pongo · « **Reply #13 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:53:48 PM »

No.
I think he makes a stirring case for Iraq. I was not trying to be ironic in that regard. He seems to feel however that all US operations turn out as the Civil war did. His thesis must address the ones that have not.

Sikboy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:54:56 PM »

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Originally posted by AKWeav
Quote:"Why do we do this? What could possibly be worth this?

This war is an abject and utter failure. What everyone thought would be a quick, decisive victory has turned into an embarrassing series of reversals. The enemy, -- a ragtag, badly-fed collection of hotheads and fanatics – has failed to be shocked and awed by the most magnificent military machine ever fielded. Their dogged resistance has shown us the futility of the idea that a nation of millions could ever be subjugated and administered, no matter what obscene price we are willing to pay in blood and money."

As I said, typical anti-war crap, Peter himself couldn't have expressed it better.

True, Had Peter Arnet been alive in 1864 lol.

-Sik