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Offline BlckMgk

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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2003, 10:18:34 PM »
RC51 are those groupings done standing, kneeling , sitting supported, or prone supported? Just wondering, beause stading and trying to fire accurate is pretty damn hard.

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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2003, 10:46:52 PM »
standing and firing is silly!
Why?
Well If hunting game will see you.
If sniping enemy will see you.
prone is best position.
I was benchrest for those shots.

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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2003, 11:01:11 PM »
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Never fired an M16/AR15 but the HK MP5s I have shot go through a full magazine very very quickly on full auto, I can see how it would be a waste.


You have an MP5 in California?
I thought gun laws are very strict there.

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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2003, 11:12:56 PM »



20,000 rounds and still going strong.  I've shot this rifle for 4 years in service rifle out to 500 meters, when I've got my ACOG mounted on the flat top, hitting a figure 11 military target at max range is a 99% deal when prone.  From a 14.5 inch barrel, that is saying quite a bit.

I pity the poor Brits with their SA-80's.  LOL!  It barely works in the tropics, can't imagine how they are keeping em running in the dessert.  My best pal is in 2 Para, and he's resorted to breaking his issue rifle down and using captured Russian stuff before in both Africa and Macedonia.  Ridiculous.


My Accuracy International .308 shoots 1/8 MOA, which is about an inch at 800 meters and twice as good as I'm capable of firing it(the longest range our local comps go to for .308).  I'll find some targets and post em up, but with my .223 rifle, what Rc51 has posted is about what any competent shooter can get themselves to with pratice, and is about how I shoot myself.  Big B, the brainstem shot is called the "CNS" shot, or central nervous system.  It's an area that comprises the brain stem, the sweet spot is where the spinal colum interfaces with the brain.  Head on it is right between the target's mouth and nose.  It's only about an inch target zone, so with a rifle and shooter capable of 1/4 MOA (most "elite" snipers are around there, average swatter is about 1/2 MOA), the furthest this shot is generally attempted is about 100 yards in a law enforcement situation, and 400 in the field.


That said, the guys at prarie gun works here in Canada have a .338 lapua rifle that our Forces have been testing ( a good pal runs http://www.canadiantactical.ca check it out for pics/etc), and they regularly get and train to fire at the head out to 800 meters.  Yikes.



The above is one of the .50 cal rifles the Canadian Sniper units use, a rifle just like this one (cough this one) is likely the world record holder for a kill on the battlefield, at least that's the rumour.  Nearly 2700 meter headshot on a driver of a truck with a mounted 30mm gun that was firing on US forces in Afghanistan.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2003, 11:21:42 PM by Gman »

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« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2003, 11:27:47 PM »
Don't ya just love guns.



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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2003, 11:35:13 PM »
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The above is one of the .50 cal rifles the Canadian Sniper units use, a rifle just like this one (cough this one) is likely the world record holder for a kill on the battlefield, at least that's the rumour.  Nearly 2700 meter headshot on a driver of a truck with a mounted 30mm gun that was firing on US forces in Afghanistan.


I remember that incident. I was literally cheering on my chair :)

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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2003, 07:22:26 AM »
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LOL you should be a sniper !!


Retard....

I didn't say *I* could easily hit targets out beyond 300m. Half the folks in the Army have never touched a weapon before they join. We are lucky to get them to hit a 300m target, let alone further. I've never really tried, and don't really give a ****. We usually don't have bench rests or optical sights handy, so sorry to disappoint you. Not everyone can be a l33t sN!p3R.

I've hit running deer in the head past 500m with a .22-250, don't know what the big deal is. Given the right optics and support anyone can make good shots. Nothing to brag about really.

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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2003, 07:27:04 AM »
MP5 is pretty good and lots of fun and easy to control, but I had more fun shooting Tommy guns - I think it was because of its gangster image. :D

No way in the PRC Animal it was in Nevada. :D

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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2003, 08:44:54 AM »
BGBMAW: just bougth another 1,000 rounds FMJs for $120...

 Where?

 miko

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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2003, 09:01:58 AM »
cheaper than dirt and ... the ammo man both have bulk ammo for reasonable prices.
lazs

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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2003, 09:02:07 AM »
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Retard....

I didn't say *I* could easily hit targets out beyond 300m. Half the folks in the Army have never touched a weapon before they join. We are lucky to get them to hit a 300m target, let alone further. I've never really tried, and don't really give a ****. We usually don't have bench rests or optical sights handy, so sorry to disappoint you. Not everyone can be a l33t sN!p3R.

I've hit running deer in the head past 500m with a .22-250, don't know what the big deal is. Given the right optics and support anyone can make good shots. Nothing to brag about really.


I was paying you a compliment.
Now who's the "retard"

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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2003, 09:13:52 AM »
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Retard....

 Given the right optics and support anyone can make good shots. Nothing to brag about really.


Yeah is so easy that with all the people the army has to pool from they only pick 200 a year for sniper school.
Dude get a grip precision shooting is no accident it take years of traning.
Unless you'r a natural like you'rself.
Let us know how you do it .
LOL a headsot on a running deer at 500 yds LOL.
Son you need a laxitive cause you'r full of crap.

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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2003, 09:16:35 AM »
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Retard....



I've hit running deer in the head past 500m with a .22-250, don't know what the big deal is. Given the right optics and support anyone can make good shots. Nothing to brag about really.


LOL!!!!!!!!
I hit a fly on a cows arse at 500yds once.
and the cow did not even flinch.

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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2003, 10:23:33 AM »
I'm sure I couldn't do it regularly. The first time I hit it was at about 300m. .22-250 to the body usually isn't going to bring a deer down. Second shot it was running away from me, aimed long, hit it in the back of the head. Supported shot, 9x scope. No biggie. When you grow up around weapons, shooting is no big deal. With proper training and practice just about anyone can shoot well. OTOH a few folks never get it no matter how much you try to train them.  For the most part, shooting from a bench with optical sights is hardly a challenge.

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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2003, 10:37:26 AM »
lazs2: cheaper than dirt and ... the ammo man both have bulk ammo for reasonable prices.

 Right, thanks.
 I was just curious if someone found ammo other that russian (which my rifle loves so far, though the grouping may be better) at below 13 cents per round.

 miko