Author Topic: I don't care...  (Read 600 times)

Offline minus

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2000, 05:20:00 PM »
,,Fun  to have a fun,, to have a god time ,, well  everybody like something alse i em not a sado maso who have fun to be kiled all the time with frekin ufos and 1 km caliber laser canons :-))

Offline Rendar

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2000, 05:32:00 PM »
I have no problem with flying yber-planes, as long as more than one country has one (Spit XIV, Ta-152, P-47N, something IJN/AF, and so on).  Besides, there is a one word answer for this: RPS.  When AH fills up its plane set, a RPS would make the early war fighter competetive, and the late-war uber-planes would fly in the last day or so.    

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2000, 06:19:00 PM »
CAN I GIT AN AMEN-AH?
PREACH ON BRUTHA KIEREN!!!


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Offline Nash

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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2000, 06:30:00 PM »
Zig,

You're entitled to your opinion, and I do respect it. I think, though, that what Kieren is getting at is why do we constantly, *constantly* have to be reading about it when we log on to fly?

Use the boards here, sure, let it all out. Vent away. But spare us a bit in the MA will ya bud? Funny thing is that ya got the young'uns following your lead in spouting off about things they obviously know nothing about. It's become a complete squeakfest in there.

You've stated your position, we read ya loud and clear. We get it. Need you keep harping?

I mean this with all due respect.

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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2000, 06:52:00 PM »
 

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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2000, 08:21:00 PM »
Best post in a while Kieren...well said!
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2000, 08:44:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Zigrat:

... I don't like all this i wanna fly the uberest thing players like the c hog and nik drivers out there.


It's comments like that and rediculous outbursts in the arena about uber this and uber that that makes your opinion count for just about squat.


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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2000, 09:09:00 PM »
Horse walks into a bar after a long days ride and sit down at the bar!

Bartender comes up to the horse and says
"Hey!  Why the long face?"

Whoooa boy Whooooa!   Whoaaaaa!
Whoooooa boy!

Just so you guys know!  I have pride in the way I conduct myself online.  If I call you a dweeb then you had better damn well believe it!

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Offline Zigrat

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2000, 09:57:00 PM »
The reason i keep harping, nash is you obviously don't understand me. The reason is there are distinct groups of planes in aces high where planes within that planeset can compete *reasonably* well with each other (and who wins within that planeset comes down most likely to pilot skill)

So whats my issue? The other planes in its era (p51d, 109g10, f4u-1c) can compete with it (all mid 1944 designs, contemporary to the N1k2). But the russians, the 190 pilots, or the spit drivers dont have their mid 44 planes (La7, spit XIV, and FW190 D9) all have cries about their planes strengths/weaknesses. Clearly in my mind, planes can be grouped into categories

Early war
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202,190f4,spit V

Mid war
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la5,yak9,109g2, 109g6, p47, p38, 190, 205, f4u-1a (not in here yet, wish it was), hellcatp51-B

Late war
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p51-D, 109g10, 190 d9, N1k2, f4u-1c, f4u-4, p47 M,N, La7, Yak 3, Me-262, Tempest

I guess, with me the reason I don't like the late war planes as much as the earlier ones is that by 1944 the war had been decided. Many more brave men died, and alot of fighting still happened, but by early 1944 (after which all of those late war planes were introduced) the outcome of the war was decided. They weren't the planes that won or lost the war, they just finished the last act. the planes in the early and middle middle category are the ones that did that decided the war.

When you hear about the epic battles of WW2, its Kursk, Midway, the Battle of britain, Torch, etcera. Thats what decided the war. As bloody as Okinowa, Battle of teh Ardennes, the Marianas, etcera was, they weren't the battles you read stories about where it was uncertin who the victor would be till the dice was rolled.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2000, 10:08:00 PM »
 
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The reason i keep harping, nash is you obviously don't understand me. The reason is there are distinct groups of planes in aces high where ....

Ok, I understand you. Completely.. To the fullest extent. Lightning struck, a choir of Angels broke out in song, and a rainbow suddenly formed right in my damn living room.

I get it. I *hear* you. I comprehend every syllable of every word of every sentence.

Are we done?

Or do I need to hear it again... and again.. and again... and again.... and again?

I think not.

Now for every one of you that still may not get it, please e-mail Zigrat, as I'm sure he'd be happy to explain it, yet again.

To those who get it, please Zig, show us some consideration now.... cease and desist.

It's a drag, man.

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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2000, 11:13:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Nash:
Ok, I understand you. Completely.. To the fullest extent. Lightning struck, a choir of Angels broke out in song, and a rainbow suddenly formed right in my damn living room.

I get it. I *hear* you. I comprehend every syllable of every word of every sentence.

 

First, please post a pic of this  rainbow...without film its just pure anecdote and does not validate a thing!  

Sure, sure, its your opinion and you read the jacket cover of War and Peace once so you absolutely know that a Prussian horse was faster than a Russian horse (hey it rhymes..hehe)..where was I.....or yeah, so without a film buddy, its just, well....its just horse stuff (see how I tied in the obscure horse reference to further illustrate my already belabored point)!

Also, I thought I got it once, but it turned out to be gas.....oh well, all things being equal, it did feel good to pass that gas.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2000, 11:52:00 PM »
I hardly think the war was automotically won by 1944.  At least, no more so than it was automatically won when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

Consider:

In June 1944, German was almost ready to deploy the V-1.  Had it done so before D-day, the masses of troops and supplies all piled up on the English coast may easily have been destroyed, or damaged to the point of indefinately delaying the invasion.

In 1944, Japan made their greatest inroads into China, and were still on the offensive--when in every other theater the axis was on the defensive.  During much of 1944, it was no certain thing that China would hold out.

We all know that the ME-262 was delayed more than a year for no good reason.   It could easily have turned the tide of the air battle, even before Merlin Mustangs appeared.

Suppose the Japanese succeeded at Leyte and destroyed our invasion forces on the beach.   This wasn't impossible, ADM. Kurtia could easily have pulled it off if he hadn't turned around.  It wouldn't have changed the final outcome, but would have made the war last quite a bit longer--and maybe bought the Japanese some time to re-fit their remaining carriers (they still had a few).


By early 1944, the Axis was generally on the defensive.  Just because they were defensive didn't mean they couldn't win.  Indeed, the German situation at the start of 1944 was, in many ways, actually better than the British had faced in 1940.  

By 1944, the tide had turned.  However, it could have turned back.  Be thankful that fate (or divine guidance) worked against the Axis.   IMHO, the battles of 1944 aren't "anti-climax", but rather are the true turning point.  This is when the bottom fell out for the Axis and they lost their chance of winning.  In JAN 1944, they had a reasonable situation and could still have won, with some luck.  In DEC 1944, the Axis was smashed and dying. The same thing could just as easily have happened in 1940, except with the Germans winning.


Of course, in hindsight, it is easy to think a allied victory was inevitable.  With just a few changes, though, the Axis could have won.


Let's all be glad they didn't.

J_A_B      <shudders at the thought of an Axis victory>


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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2000, 12:15:00 AM »
Hey Kieren,
            Excellent post, perspective and attitude. You hit the trifecta of AH appreciation.  And Zig...um...it's the year 2000 and uh....this is a game...


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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2000, 02:02:00 AM »
What... what I miss.. what??

Oh... yah.

"I don't care..."

Oh. Well; frankly; I do give a damn. I wanna be able to fly my ride; and face the adverary plane types it was likely to meet.. running into clouds of chogs and spits kinda detracts from immersion... I'd love to have a full time HA.

But; till that happens; I don't care.  

Hehhehheee...

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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2000, 08:03:00 AM »
Perk everything except the pre '42 planeset.
RPS.
HA.
Scenarios.
MA.

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