Anyone needs back a piece of recently stolen history?

[miko2d]

"It is now pretty well established, that there are at the present moment many colored men in the Confederate army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops, and do all that soldiers may to destroy the Federal Government and build up that of the traitors and rebels. There were such soldiers at Manassas, and they are probably there still. There is a Negro in the army as well as in the fence, and our Government is likely to find it out before the war comes to an end. That the Negroes are numerous in the rebel army, and do for that army its heaviest work, is beyond question.

 Rising above vulgar prejudice, the slaveholding rebel accepts the aid of the black man as readily as that of any other."

"...that General Jackson in a slave state fought side by side with Negroes at New Orleans, and like a true man, despising meanness, he bore testimony to their bravery..."

"Why does the Government reject the Negro? Is he not a man?... If persons so humble as we can be allowed to speak to the President of the United States, we should ask him if this dark and terrible hour of the nation's extremity is a time for consulting a mere vulgar and unnatural prejudice?"

 -- Frederick Douglas, black abilitionist, former slave



“Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in this number (Confederate troops). Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc. and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army.”

 --  Dr. Lewis Steiner, Chief Inspector of the US Sanitary Commission, 1862 while observing General “Stonewall” Jackson’s army in Frederick, Maryland


"some, if not most, Black southerners would support their country ... demonstrating it's possible to hate the system of slavery and love one's country."

-- Roland Young, black historian


"During my research, I came across instances where Black men stated they were soldiers, but you can plainly see where 'soldier' is crossed out and 'body servant' inserted, or 'teamster' on pension applications."

-- Erwin L. Jordan, Jr, Historian


"When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."

-- Dr. Leonard Haynes, an African-American professor at Southern University


"None will deny that our servants are more worthy of respect than the motley hordes which come against us." "Bad faith [to black Confederates] must be avoided as an indelible dishonor."

 -- The Richmond Sentinel, Mar 24, 1864
 

"As the war came to an end, the Confederacy took progressive measures to build back up its army. The creation of the Confederate States Colored Troops, copied after the segregated northern colored troops, came too late to be successful. Had the Confederacy been successful, it would have created the world's largest armies (at the time) consisting of black soldiers... This would have given the future of the Confederacy a vastly different appearance than what modern day racist or anti-Confederate liberals conjecture. Not only did Jefferson Davis envision black Confederate veterans receiving bounty lands for their service, there would have been no future for slavery after the goal of 300,000 armed black CSA veterans came home after the war."

"In 1864, President Jefferson Davis approved a plan that proposed the emancipation of slaves, in return for the official recognition of the Confederacy by Britain and France. France showed interest but Britain refused."

 -- Scott Williams

Georgia state flag - contains the previous one on the bottom


Georgia state flag 1956-2001


Mississippi state flag


 miko

[midnight Target]

How wonderful....

There were Southerners who respected their SLAVES.

[hawk220]

Not only did Jefferson Davis envision black Confederate veterans receiving bounty lands for their service, there would have been no future for slavery after the goal of 300,000 armed black CSA veterans came home after the war."


Davis was the biggest racist in the South at the time.. I doubt he would have actually partitioned land for those he held in such low regard.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by midnight Target
How wonderful....

There were Southerners who respected their SLAVES.

..."R.E.S.P.E.C.T, that is what it means to me...

[BBBB]

Well, being from Ga, and living there, it made me sick to see them change the flag. It is part of our history..... It upsets me to see black ppl complaning about somthing that took place along time ago, that they were treated unfairly and unjust..... That maybe so, but that means that it is ok to have an "all back college", or an "all black tv station" I really think some ppl ne to re-think the whole "were being oppresed" thing.
 Atlanta is 80% black, I went to college at Ga State Univ in down town Atl. It always amazed me how some ppl are quick to scream they are the victium of racial profiling, or someone is treating them badly, becuz they are "black". When they themselves are probably just as much, if not more racial than they person they are accusing. I think if it is ok to have all black colleges, TV stations, and gatherings. Things that are all being called "part of our history" then the state of Ga should be able to keep our flag. It is just as much apart of history as anything else. We can not be selective in the learnings of history. I dont think it is fair for anyone to be treated a certian way due to color or creed. The only one of us here that can claim to be a TRUE american are the Indians, they were here first. So color shouldnt matter. We have learned nothing in 100 years.

[hawk220]

B

it wasn't that long ago actually, there are people alive today, granted old people, whos parents and grandparents were slaves.

[rc51]

You don't hear the American Indian crying about how they got screwed out of there land do you.
My point is the Indian got screwed a lot more than the blacks did.
I am not trying to justift slavery! far from it!
But to this day the Indian is still screwed!!!!!!
Look at it this way we all know of thw washington redskins right!!
Redskin is a slang term for American Indian.
How do you think that makes them feel???
Now try this out out.
New football team the New York niggas!
You get my point now.
It's ok to be ashamed of our past but we must look beyond the past to the future.
There is NO room for Racism In MY AMERICA!

[miko2d]

hawk220: it wasn't that long ago actually, there are people alive today, granted old people, whos parents and grandparents were slaves.

 Under "stars and stripes" flag as well - after the 7 out of 15 slave states secceded from the unuon, during the War of Northern Agression, when 3 slave states remained in the Union, after the Emansipation Proclamation that did not free the slaves in Nothern States.

 Should we junk the US "stars and stripes" flag in favor of some non-offensive one? Otherwise people will forever refuse to believe that we object slavery. Right?

 miko

[hawk220]

miko


im sure there are a lot of people that are offended by the Stars and Stripes


but the North and its flag won

had it been the other way around, im sure the stars and bars and slavery would be everywhere.

[Eagler]

anyone who flies a rebel flag in these parts usually has an IQ of 3.

sometimes the entire family may have an IQ of 6.

you'd have a better conversation with their dog...

the rebel flag is a sign of ignorance. I haven't found anyone who flies one who is not a racist and still thinks the freed negro is the source of all his problems.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Hawk- I really doubt there's anyone alive today was a slave... they'd be around a 150 years old (actually older if they were actual slaves).. so basically, it's impossibly.

The Native Americans do indeed complain about a lot of things: The Washington Redskins, for example, have changed to a "less offensive" Arrow Head on their helmet as opposed to the actual Indian face in war paint. They were also lobbying for the change of the name for several years, changing the helmet's logo was a compromise.

If you look, you'll see just how much the Native Americans have complained about our culture using them.

They just get less press because it isn't hip 'n cool and uber just for equal rights activists to be vocal about... I don't even think equal rights activists pay attention to Native Americans complaints. Just one of the many reasons I don't take equal right activists seriously.
-SW

[air_guard]

raise the iq to 10, just be nice eagler but I am agree lol

[Saurdaukar]

2 cents:  Im not a proponents of slavery, obviously, but I disagree with the changing of the various state flags that include the stars and bars.  I dont think slavery is what the flag stands for.

[hawk220]

Wulfe

there are people alive today, granted old people, whos parents and grandparents were slaves


'whos parents and grandparents were slaves'

but you're right, they would be 150 yrs old..but in the larger scheme, that wasn't that awful long ago either.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Damn it, I keep misreading things... I must be down dyslexia coming with.
-SW