Anyone needs back a piece of recently stolen history?

[midnight Target]

Platform of the Alabama Democracy
Adopted at Montgomery, January, 1860

1. Resolved by the Democracy of the State of Alabama, in Convention assembled, That holding all issues and principles upon which they have heretofore affiliated and acted with the National Democratic party to be inferior in dignity and importance to the great question of slavery, they content themselves with a general re-affirmance of the Cincinnati Platform as to such issues, and also endorse said platform as to slavery, together with the following resolutions:

2. Resolved further, That we re-affirm so much of the first resolution of the Platform adopted in Convention by the Democracy of this State, on the 8th of January, 1856, as relates to the subject of slavery, to wit: "The unqualified right of the people of the slaveholding States to the Protection of their property in the States, in the Territories, and in the wilderness in which Territorial Governments are as yet unorganized."

3. Resolved further, That in order to meet and clear away all obstacles to a full enjoyment of this right in the Territories, we re-affirm the principle of the 9th resolution of the Platform adopted in Convention by the Democracy of this State on the 14th of February, 1848, to wit: "That it is the duty of the General Government, by all proper legislation, to secure an entry into those Territories to all the citizens of the United States, together with their property of every description, and that the same should remain protected by the United States while the Territories are under its authority."

4. Resolved further, That the Constitution of the United States is a compact between sovereign and co-equal states, united upon the basis of perfect equality of rights and privileges.

5. Resolved further, That the Territories of the United States are common property, in which the States have equal rights, and to which the citizens of every State may rightfully emigrate with their slaves or other property, recognised as such in any of the States of the Union, or by the Constitution of the United States.

6. Resolved further, That the Congress of the United States has no power to abolish slavery in the Territories, or to prohibit its introduction into any of them.

7. Resolved further, That the Territorial Legislatures, created by the legislation of Congress, have no power to abolish slavery, or to prohibit the introduction of the same, or to impair, by unfriendly legislation, the security and full enjoyment of the same within the Territories; and such constitutional power certainly does not belong to the people of the Territories in any capacity, before, in the exercise of a lawful authority, they form a Constitution preparatory to admission as a State into the Union; and their action in the exercise of such lawful authority certainly cannot operate or take effect before their actual admission as a State into the Union.

8. Resolved further, That the principles enunciated by Chief Justice Taney, in his opinion in the Dred Scott case, deny to the Territorial Legislature the power to destroy or impair, by any legislation whatever, the right of property in slaves, and maintain it to be the duty of Federal Government, in all of its departments, to protect the rights of the owner of such property in the Territories; and the principles so declared are hereby asserted to be the rights of the South, and the South should maintain them.

9. Resolved further, That we hold all of the foregoing propositions to contain cardinal principles -- true in themselves, and just and proper, and necessary for the safety of all that is dear to us, and we do hereby instruct our Delegates to the Charleston Convention to present them for the calm consideration and approval of that body -- from whose justice and patriotism we anticipate their adoption.

10. Resolved further, That our Delegates to the Charleston Convention are hereby expressly instructed to insist that said Convention shall adopt a platform of principles, recognising distinctly the rights of the South as asserted in the foregoing resolutions; and if the said National Convention shall refuse to adopt, in substance, the propositions embraced in the preceding resolutions, prior to nominating candidates, our Delegates to said Convention are hereby positively instructed to withdraw therefrom.

11. Resolved further, That our Delegates to the Charleston Convention shall cast the vote of Alabama as a unit, and a majority of our Delegates shall determine how the vote of this State shall be given.

12. Resolved further, That an Executive Committee, to consist of one from each Congressional district, be appointed, whose duty it shall be, in the event that our Delegates withdraw from the Charleston Convention, in obedience to the 10th resolution, to call a Convention of the Democracy of Alabama, to meet at an early day to consider what is best to be done.

All about States Rights....

[Toad]

Unroll your eyes. This has already been hashed out in another thread.

Also, don't forget the Bill of Rights, Article X:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Reread your highlighted parts again in view of Article X.

Consider this in view of what State law allowed/disallowed that was beyond Federal power by the provision of Article X.

Done. Out. Said it all in a previous thread.

Ta.

[midnight Target]

Hashed out possibly.

However I still feel it is disingenuous to couch the Confederacy around a States Rights argument when the "Right" they were most concerned with was the right to keep and own people as property!


Sure, its about States Rights and the 10th Amendment, but the root of that argument is evil.

[Toad]

Originally posted by midnight Target
All about States Rights....

Originally posted by midnight Target
Sure, its about States Rights and the 10th Amendment, but the root of that argument is evil.

Make up yer mind......




Don't think I've seen anyone here say it wasn't an evil. If there was one flaw in the Constitution, it was that they didn't abolish it right then and there.

However, they didn't do that, did they? And Article X gave the South the option.

Now, you sucked me back in and I'm embarassed at myself for posting.

Happy now?  

[Elfie]

Look at it this way we all know of thw washington redskins right!!

When I hear *Redskins* I immediately think of a football team, not American Indians. *Redskins* was a term used to describe the American Indians, however I can't recall the last time I heard it used in that manner.

I don't consider having sports teams Like the Atlanta BRAVES, Kansas City CHIEFS or Washington REDSKINS as derogatory towards the American Indian. I view it as more of a tribute to a brave and courageous people that fought for thier way of life against odds they had no hope of winning.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Toad

Now, you sucked me back in and I'm embarassed at myself for posting.

Happy now?  

Yes thank you... you are free to go.  

[Frogm4n]

confederate flag = traitors to the union and should be hanged. also they are all evil racists

[rc51]

Originally posted by Elfie
When I hear *Redskins* I immediately think of a football team, not American Indians. *Redskins* was a term used to describe the American Indians, however I can't recall the last time I heard it used in that manner.

I don't consider having sports teams Like the Atlanta BRAVES, Kansas City CHIEFS or Washington REDSKINS as derogatory towards the American Indian. I view it as more of a tribute to a brave and courageous people that fought for thier way of life against odds they had no hope of winning.

Somehow I think the American Indian might see it differently.

[rc51]

History 101.
The white man has screwed everybody at some point in history.

[Frogm4n]

washington redskin  = if we changed the following =atlanta ******s = new york kikes = San Franciso Gooks = San Diego Spics = Kansas City Crackers. To the american Indian ,redskin is just as derogatory as all of the above names. This is the only sports team i have a problem with the name. They changed the bullets to wizards(that was stupid). Why cant they get rid of this bull****. I know we killed off most of the natives already so they dont really have the numbers to protest it.

[miko2d]

midnight Target: However I still feel it is disingenuous to couch the Confederacy around a States Rights argument when the "Right" they were most concerned with was the right to keep and own people as property!

 They did not get invaded when they exercised their "right" to own slaves but when they exercised their right to leave the Union.

 Yes, they were demanding self-determination - the freedom to run their country their own way, including doing evil things like slavery.

 Did North demand abolition of slavery in the South as a condition to cease the hostilities?
 Did North demand the abolition of slavery by the South after the South was defeated as a condition of the surrender and left it's sovereignity intact?
 Did the North lift the occupation from the South once it was assured that the slavery is destroyed?

 Are we going to stay in Iraq forever in order to deny them self-determination - including the possibility of electing another Hussein? Should we have kept Germany occupied since 1918?

 Are we going to end up with a world state to make sure nobody could have a self-determination enabling them to do evil things?

 miko

[midnight Target]

Are we going to stay in Iraq forever in order to deny them self-determination - including the possibility of electing another Hussein?

Do ya think they will keep all those pictures of Hussein up on all those walls?

[miko2d]

midnight Target: Do ya think they will keep all those pictures of Hussein up on all those walls?

 Some may unless we do not prevent them.
 Most likely they will end up with another dictator who will have made his career by just such cleaning of traces of "Hussein's dark heritage" from the Iraq. We will supply him with mustard gas, of course - it's great for gettinng pictures off the walls.

 miko

[Leslie]

Alabama was the one Southern state that was the deciding factor on secession.  The vote on secession was fairly evenly divided.  Cooperationist resolutions were narrowly down by a count of 53-46 in preliminary votes.  Only after hearing of the secession decision made by Mississippi and Florida, did Alabama adopt an ordinance of secession by a vote of 61-39...still relatively close.  The other states seceeded only after Alabama seceeded.

The issue was secession, and I believe the root of conflict was cultural in nature.  Specifically, it was a clash between
Anglo-Saxons and Celts...the Celts being settled in the South.  The two cultures simply didn't get along very well, and it came to a head when the North refused to let the South decide its own destiny.


Concerning slavery in the South during the 19th Century.  I don't think you'll find anyone here on this board who thinks that was a good thing.  Like an abusive spouse, who keeps bringing up past mistakes to belittle the other, there are some who enjoy immersion in conflict.  I find stereotyping the South as a group of evil Simon LeGree's, just as disheartening as characterizing California the land of fruits and nuts.  

What's the point, other than stirring up resentment?




Les

[miko2d]

Leslie: What's the point, other than stirring up resentment?

 Pusing through liberal socialist agenda? "Deconstructing" the western civilisation? Finding excuse for present failures and inability to achieve?

 Take your pick.

 miko