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Offline lord dolf vader

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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2003, 01:20:56 PM »
liberal social agenda?

i am quite liberal and as a at least decently well  read sotherner well aware of the real hisory of the war of northern domination.


great great grandady lived to be 98 told grandady who raised me the story from a poor sotherners angle. ( he was blinded in the battel of vicksburg) i find it one of the reasons i became a liberal.

the rich money men are the ones pulling chimpis strings, they are the great great grandsons of the guys who constructed and carried out that torturous war and the 70 or 80 years of economic torture afterwards. wait till you get to the "reconstruction" part

p.s. great grandady shared his shack with a "ole ******" who faught with him in the war and led his blind bellybutton back from vicksburg.  he was a free man befor the war had no use for yankees. go figgure

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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2003, 01:37:16 PM »
lord dolf vader: liberal social agenda?

 I said socialist agenda.

great great grandady lived to be 98 told grandady who raised me the story from a poor sotherners angle. ( he was blinded in the battel of vicksburg) i find it one of the reasons i became a liberal.

 The meaning of the world "liberal" changed a few times. You may want to update yours.

 In 19th century it ment the same what today is ment by "libertarian" - individual liberties, limited government.

 In 1950s it ment "anti-rasist".

 Today it mostly means the opposite of those - "reverse-rasist" and "government control".

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2003, 01:46:19 PM »
I hope you're being sarcastic, lol if not you have sunk to a new low I didn't think was posible.

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« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2003, 02:08:53 PM »
A good old navy bud of mine relayed this story from the mid 1980s.

He was stationed in south carolina and he and some navy buds went to a local bar to get drunk and play pool.  Well, all these guys were westerners and northerners and in comes a bunch of badass southern rebal biker types who seek some billiards and friendly competition.

The beer doth flowith and the tide of billiards went the way of the sharper more literate non southerners.  At one point the biggest baddassed reb biker guy made that infamous statement heard all across the reconstructed and liberated south "The South shall rise again" and immediately chimed my bud "and the North will beat your bellybutton down again".  Well at that point things degenerated into bedlam.  My bud woke up in the alley behind the bar with a busted nose and foot and multiple lacerations and contusions.  None the worse for wear, several of his buds were recovering in a dumpster.  No deaths, but lots of pain and suffering.

Seemed the south still had some fight in em.
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Yup, good old relocated miko, looking for any perverted scrap in compost pile of history to propell some sort of broad generalization into an argument dead before it begins by default.
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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2003, 02:10:28 PM »
I can't believe you guys are arguing with miko.  He only lives to piss you off.  It doesn't matter what the topic is.

He's from Russia, he lives in NY now, and he flies a rebel flag.  Does that make ANY sense to you at all?  Do you HONESTLY think it has any meaning to him, outside that it starts a huge flame fest?

Let him sit there on his gov't bought computer spending his welfare checks to free up more time to insult the citizens of the country that supports him.  Ignore it.

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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2003, 02:10:55 PM »
the south lost they need to get over it, that flag stands for evil just as the nazi flag does. get over it. stop making excuse's for them. It was flown by a bunch of traitors to the union and the people that fly it today are anti-american.

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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2003, 02:21:32 PM »
if you talkin about usin the n word it was a quote from grandad. i should have quoted it true . i carried no disrespect when it was used.

 the point i was trying to make was. my family has lived with with black folks for about the last 200 to 400 years and having yankees demonize every southerner for the 1% that owned slaves. is dispicable and yea we are still pissed off about it.


quick question how many slave states were there in the north after the emancipation declaration? anyone?

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« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2003, 02:39:56 PM »
Yeager: Yup, good old relocated miko, looking for any perverted scrap in compost pile of history to propell some sort of broad generalization into an argument dead before it begins by default.

 History is history. And if it looks like sordid compost pile - america is not unique in that respect.


Frogm4n: the south lost they need to get over it

 You are talking about "might" while we are talking about "right".

It was flown by a bunch of traitors to the union

 Wasn't the Union traitors to the British Crown?

that flag stands for evil just as the nazi flag does

 Nazi flag stands for evil only since 1941 - before that it was cheerfully waived in US.
 "That" flag stands for evil only since the 70s - or at least some people pretend it does.

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« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2003, 03:12:00 PM »
And before 1866 white sheets were just bed coverings..... you are really hitting on all cylinders today miko.

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« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2003, 03:16:21 PM »
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washington redskin  = if we changed the following =atlanta ******s = new york kikes = San Franciso Gooks = San Diego Spics = Kansas City Crackers. To the american Indian ,redskin is just as derogatory as all of the above names. This is the only sports team i have a problem with the name. They changed the bullets to wizards(that was stupid). Why cant they get rid of this bull****. I know we killed off most of the natives already so they dont really have the numbers to protest it.


Geezus  someone see's my point thank you frog!!!

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« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2003, 03:18:27 PM »
midnight Target: And before 1866 white sheets were just bed coverings..... you are really hitting on all cylinders today miko.

 All the pictires of The Klan rallies I've seen so far were under "start and bars". So?

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« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2003, 04:31:18 PM »
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the south lost they need to get over it, that flag stands for evil just as the nazi flag does. get over it. stop making excuse's for them. It was flown by a bunch of traitors to the union and the people that fly it today are anti-american.


well, if the South were traitors to the Union, then by extension the United States were traitors to King George; depends on how you look at the right of secession.  

A strong argument can be made that a major motivation for the North taking up arms to prevent the South leaving, was to preserve the agrarian South as a market for the North's tariff protected manufactured goods, which would otherwise be lost to more competititive British goods.

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« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2003, 04:48:24 PM »
guess what the south lost, History is written by the victors of wars. you could call me a traitor if the south won. Well we didnt you dirty dirty slave owning traitors. Now get back to bottleing my coke!

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« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2003, 04:55:52 PM »
As a member of the ancient and honored order of Southern White-Trash I must state that I have no prejudices against Black people whatsoever, unless one happens to be an idiot, in which case he or she will get short shrift from me cause I hate idiots and boors of all stripes, but that's just the way I am, and I have never worn a sheet in my entire life, except for that one time on Halloween night when I was ten years old.  

Anyhow, everyone needs to get off their soap boxes about this.  Slavery was evil, but not all slave owners were brutal beasts.  As some of my more liberal college professors delighted in pointing out...there are NO absolutes.  During the first two years of the Civil War northerners fought to put down a rebellion and preserve the Union.  There was not, in that same period, a strong movement to abolish slavery in the Southern states.  Indeed, there was considerable prejudice in many northern cities against Blacks already living there who were competing with white northern factory workers for jobs.  Anti-war, anti-draft, and anti-Black feelings boiled over into the New York City Draft Riot that led to the deaths of 1,000 Black people.  I don't remember anything similar happening in the South during that time.

I wonder how much different our history would have been if the Confederacy had, in order to survive, promised freedom in 1863 to all slaves willing to don a grey uniform and fight against the Union.  Such an action would have deprived Lincoln of the one issue that he used to galvanize public opinion in the North to support the war effort after the victory at Antietam.

Kind of frightening to contemplate, isn't it.

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« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2003, 05:19:18 PM »
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confederate flag = traitors to the union and should be hanged. also they are all evil racists


 Wow you come up with that all by yourself? :rolleyes: Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? Wasnt this country formed by traitors of the crown?

 
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guess what the south lost, History is written by the victors of wars. you could call me a traitor if the south won. Well we didnt you dirty dirty slave owning traitors. Now get back to bottleing my coke!


 I bet your one of the million ppl that think the Civil war was fought becuz of JUST becuz of slavery. Well I will let that be your little secret. The south didnt win. Your right about that. However you do relize that the south won the majorty of the battles. What is really amazing is, three weeks after the south "lost" the war. They ended up geting what they were fighting for in the first place. So did the south really lose? I think the next time you pop your mouth off, with childish insults, and half bellybutton history lessions, you might want to read a book, maybe even two.
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