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Why the Left Loves Osama [and Saddam]
« on: April 04, 2003, 11:52:17 AM »
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
March 19, 2003
Has anyone noticed an indifference in the precincts of the far Left to the fatalities of 9/11 and the horrors of Saddam Hussein?

Right after the 9/11 attack, German composer Karlheinz Stockhausen called it "the greatest work of art for the whole cosmos." Eric Foner, an ornament of Columbia University's Marxist firmament, trivialized it by announcing himself unsure "which is more frightening: the horror that engulfed New York City or the apocalyptic rhetoric emanating daily from the White House." Norman Mailer called the suicide hijackers "brilliant."

More recently, it appears that none of the millions of antiwar demonstrators have a bad word to say about Saddam Hussein nor an iota of sympathy for those oppressed, tortured and murdered by his regime. Instead, they vent fury against the American president and British prime minister.

Why is the Left nonchalant about the outrages committed by al Qaeda and Baghdad?

Lee Harris, an Atlanta writer, offers an explanation in a recent issue of the Hoover Institution's journal, Policy Review. He does so by stepping way back and recalling Karl Marx's central thesis about the demise of capitalism resulting from an inevitable sequence of events:

* Business profits decline in the industrial countries;

* Bosses squeeze their workers;

* Workers become impoverished;

* Workers rebel against their bosses, and

* Workers establish a socialist order.

Everything here hangs on workers growing poorer over time - which, of course, did not happen. In fact, Western workers became richer (and increasingly un-revolutionary). By the roaring 1950s, most of the Left realized that Marx got it wrong.

But rather than give up on cherished expectations of socialist revolution, Harris notes, Marxists tweaked their theory. Abandoning the workers of advanced industrial countries, they looked instead to the entire populations of poor countries to carry out the revolution. Class analysis went out the window, replaced by geography.

This new approach, known as "dependencia theory," holds that the First World (and the United States above all) profits by forcefully exploiting the Third Word. The Left theorizes that the United States oppresses poor countries; thus Noam Chomsky's formulation that America is a "leading terrorist state."

For vindication of this claim, Marxists impatiently await the Third World's rising up against the West. Sadly for them, the only true revolution since the 1950s was Iran's in 1978-79. It ended with militant Islam in power and the Left in hiding.

Then came 9/11, which Marxists interpreted as the Third World (finally!) striking back at its American oppressor. In the Left's imagination, Harris explains, this attack was nothing less than "world-historical in its significance: the dawn of a new revolutionary era."

Only a pedant would point out that the suicide hijackers hardly represented the wretched of the earth; and that their objectives had nothing at all to do with socialism and everything to do with - no, not again! - militant Islam.

So desperate is the Left for some sign of true socialism, it overlooks such pesky details. Instead, it warily admires al Qaeda, the Taliban and militant Islam in general for doing battle with the United States. The Left tries to overlook militant Islam's slightly un-socialist practices - such as its imposing religious law, excluding women from the workplace, banning the payment of interest, encouraging private property and persecuting atheists.

This admiring spirit explains the Left's nonchalant response to 9/11. Sure, it rued the loss of life, but not too much. Dario Fo, the Italian Marxist who won the 1997 Nobel Prize for literature, explains: "The great [Wall Street] speculators wallow in an economy that every year kills tens of millions of people with poverty, so what is 20,000 dead in New York?"

The same goes for Saddam Hussein, whose gruesome qualities matter less to the Left than the fact of his confronting and defying the United States. In its view, anyone who does that can't be too bad - never mind that he brutalizes his subjects and invades his neighbors. The Left takes to the streets to assure his survival, indifferent both to the fate of Iraqis and even to their own safety, clutching instead at the hope that this monster will somehow bring socialism closer.

In sum: 9/11 and the prospect of war against Saddam Hussein have exposed the Left's political self-delusion, intellectual bankruptcy and moral turpitude.

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2003, 12:52:25 PM »
lol that you post this tripe is the funny thing.

or sad i guess.

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2003, 01:23:47 PM »
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
lol that you post this tripe is the funny thing.

or sad i guess.

Wow, you really cut through the BS and got to the crux of the matter.




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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2003, 01:46:17 PM »
most liberals are not very religous. Hell most of us think any kind of religous extremists christian or islamic are the bane of this earth. So everytime i see tripe about how i am supposedly supporting any kind of religous wack job makes me sick.  The taliban and iraq represent everything a liberal government hates. jeez. They are more conservitive then anything.

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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2003, 02:06:44 PM »
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
most liberals are not very religous. Hell most of us think any kind of religous extremists christian or islamic are the bane of this earth. So everytime i see tripe about how i am supposedly supporting any kind of religous wack job makes me sick.  The taliban and iraq represent everything a liberal government hates. jeez. They are more conservitive then anything.


Well..you see... thats the irony mentioned in said article...
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2003, 02:09:01 PM »
well you see your confuseing the wackos that support osama and saddam as liberals. they are not.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2003, 05:50:03 PM »
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well you see your confuseing the wackos that support osama and saddam as liberals. they are not.


Is that why millions on the left are protesting aginst the only real option to remove Saddam Hussein, and dont forget massive numbers on the left also demostrated against retaliation for 9/11...

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2003, 06:01:18 PM »
Maybe they do so for religious reasons? Try Matthew 5:39.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2003, 06:18:21 PM »
Mr. Pipes was just nominated by President Bush to the Institute for Peace.  CAIR is of course having a coronary and it still has to get thru the senate.  

But it's nice to see someone in touch with reality nominated.  If anything it's going to cause a stir, let's see who starts squirming first.

I'd like to how Mathhew 5:39 applies?  Were they Christian? Because thats who is being addressed in that verse.  And who struck them?


http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/5553635.htm

http://www.danielpipes.org/
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2003, 06:36:22 PM »
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Maybe they do so for religious reasons? Try Matthew 5:39.


Right...


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most liberals are not very religous.

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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2003, 06:48:58 PM »
Are you saying that most conservatives are pro-war?


While you're at it... try Matthew 5:44 also.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2003, 07:52:45 PM »
You arent seriously suggesting that left wing anti war porttestors are bsing their opposition on the bible are you?

I dont know if most conservatives are pro war or not, but a clear majority of americans are. Anyway thats just a red herring and irrelevant to the discussion.

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2003, 07:54:43 PM »
You aren't seriously stating that all anti-war protestors are left wing, are you?
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2003, 08:02:21 PM »
In this thread "left wing anti war protestors" refers to anti war protestors who are left wing.

But I do beleve the majority of anti war people are left leaning, certainly many of the largest anti war protest organizers are very left wing like ANSWER etc...
« Last Edit: April 04, 2003, 08:04:36 PM by GRUNHERZ »

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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2003, 08:03:55 PM »
This thread assumes that the left loves Osama and Hussein.

It's a load of crap.
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