"No offense but, why not move the p40e to another field other than 32? As far as the ki-61 goes, it WOULD own the current US plane set. It outruns the f4f4 easily, and I think outclimbs it as well. "
The P40E is limited, or was before I turned it off, to just one base because the set up is intended to Feature the Wildcat and the A6M2, it is just a treat not the main dish. this was posted ablout 100 times alll over this board and I beleave on the MOTD. I turned it off because I enabled the P40B every whear because of the F4F being buged and because the map did not rebuild and the dam Japanese carier was respawing off the bases it was at.
"My point as an f4f4 pilot regarding the ki-61 is much the same the zeke drivers had the last time we ran the slot when they argued against the f4u1. "We cant dodge bnz attacks forever," they said. You even agreed (not that you're advocating the Ki-61 right now) when I said to you "the ki-61 would be like a pony in here vs p40s and f4f4s." "
This is a mute point sice the P40E is not available now, this was alos posted on this forum.
"The Tony also catches the p40e below around 15k and will outturn it pretty easily. All a Tony driver has to do is do shallow dives to avoid compression and eventually the p40e is dead. Above 15k, p40's get considerably slower than zekes, with inferior rate-of-climb as well. With the Ki-61, the p40 is hard pressed to fight high or low. "
WTF does this have to with the price of tea the Tony is not in the set up.
"Another thing I do not think has been taken into account is the handling difference between the zekes. I think the difference may be a bug, but that's for you to decide. The a6m2 will dive a lot better than the a6m5b (though they are nearly aerodynamically identical). I was caught twice tonight in p40b's trying to extend from zekes who had a slight, I emphasize slight, energy advantage over me. Only the f4f4 could consistently outdive co-E zekes during my fights tonight. But they were so perked I could not fly it until the end of the night. If we had had the p40e, that extra bit of speed would have helped immensely. "
The Wildcat is not perked on pourpose, hopefully this will be resolved shortly, tomarow, or Monday I wish i could fix this but I am powerless to do only HTC can right this wrong. The E is a bit much for A6M2 imo. In short this is the set up i dont plan on changing it at present.
"Before any responders begin by saying "fly with a wingman so you don't get ganged or outclassed by your enemies" I have one point to make. With even matchups of say, speed versus maneuverability for example, a smart pilot can generally get out of trouble if need be (even from a gang). However, when his plane is outclassed in every way by an enemy, he has little hope unless he goes for the gang or he happens to be higher. Both of which introduce too much randomness into the game, while removing the skill factor. If I wanted to gamble with my time for the payoff of possible enjoyment, I would go to a casino. To summarize my point, my skill and success, in a game I PAY to play, should not be dictated by who I have around me, or probability for that matter. "
I would say that imo the A6M2 is not in every way better than the P40B, I would also say that that the Wildcat is available, and although perked for some reasion which I hope to change it is non theless their, while the guy who is perkless is porked from your prespective, it is your openion, and when viewed over all the Zero's is facing Wildcats with a few P40B's in the mix, so in general it is balanced over all despits the perking isue.
"For those of you who say the p40e is too uber for the zeke drivers to contend with, I ask you to remember the Spitfire V vs FW-190 and Bf-109g2 matchups. Both outclass the Spitfire by greater margins in speed and rate-of-climb than the p-40e does the zeke. As I remember, the Spitfire V drivers did pretty well against higher closure rates than zekes contend with and in a much less "slippery" craft."
The spead is not the only factor in determing the balance of a plane match up, Gun's Gun range, turning abality, Durabality,Climb, ect all go into the consideration. Also Sighting previous set up's is not a good way to make a point since each set up for us is a learning experance and Each of the 4 or 5 stafers make thier own set up's and untimatly are responsable for their content.
"Additionally, it's kind of funny how the axis being "too uber" is rarely, if ever, an issue. To put it gently, it seems the allies are often hamstrung in efforts to make it fair to the axis."
I think that is entierly unfair and generaly Biased in content.
"But Z0mBe, there are too many uber allied craft to deal with." Bullsnot! Pick fewer, but equal, allied planes, or, as a compromise, allow for riceburning Spitfires, Messerschmitts or Focke-Wulfs for instance. It's already admitted we compromise things for the sake of missing axis models. Why does that compromise seemingly always have to take the form of deleting allied aircraft (e.g. f4u1), when it could just as easily involve adding another for the axis? '
We used to do a lot of this for pac set up's, beleave it or not it used to worse:), Subsituation generaly is frowned apon it takes away from imershion in the past we have done tons of "bad" CT set up's featuring all the Allied types fielded aganst the few japanese types we have. If I nead to explane why having a plane with a Huge spead advantage is Not fun for one side then I may be wasting my time responding to this book:)
"I don't see the difference between compromising by allowing the Japanese to have Ju-88s or the allies to have Tigers if that's all we have, and a compromise allowing the Japanese to have a Fw-190a5 in place of a Jack or Ki-84. Why penalize the allies when you can help the axis and allow all players to choose the appropriate (or what is closely resembling appropriate) level of performance for their chosen side at a given point in the war. "
The JU 88 is NOT by any means a good plane sub it in NO way represent s the japanese bomber's the ONLY reasion it is in this set up is so that CM's can test it, imo it is a freaking Joke. What this bouils down to more or less is somebody whing because they dont have their favorate toy. No German fighter is a sub for the Ki- anything.
'I realize I am no CM, but, again why could the p40e not be moved to another base? Is there a technical reason for this relating to the map designing process? "
BECAUSE it is not intended to be a feature of the set up.
On to other points...
"There are two other fixes if HTC cannot turn off the perks for the f4f4 until Monday. One, include the FM2 in its place. The second option might be the early Spitfire I. It can't turn as well and is only slightly faster on the deck than the zeke. That would, at least in spirit, be a close match to the situation zekes encounter in the low fights against f4f4's commonplace in the CT (though the zekes would rarely come in below 12k to the fights
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TY for that sugestion I think we will stick with the present set.
"One more thing, I have been playing the CT pretty regularly now and wonder about more Pacific setups. For example, what about having the George versus the Hellcat? I do not know much about the Hellcat but I thought it wasn't THAT much faster than it's more nimble and well-armed counterpart, the Nik-j2. Not to mention the George dives and climbs well and can turn on a dime. If you think this is a bad matchup, go to netaces.org and compare the two crafts' statistics and see what I mean. "
As in Numiours other post's in this forum have said, we have in the past and will in the future feature a set with these planes.
"Nothing personal against the CT staff as I love the thinking man's arena that is the Combat Theatre. I do ask, however, that they keep objectivity at heart...math is math when it comes to comparing planes and often, if you look at all the possibilities (i.e. japanese messerschmitts), the end result can be really nice, even if it's just a hair different from history."
TY for that sugestion I will try and keep a leval head, while I cant say that for most of the post's lately, on this subject which seam to simply be arguing for allowing the Allies to maintain a an advantage, while rationalising it.
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