This is justice?

[Sandman]

http://www.freemikehawash.org/oldindex.html

[blitz]

Weather is fine at Guatanamo bay and they looking great in that  orange suits


Regards Blitz

[john9001]

another "sleeper" gats caught

[Sandman]

I do not recall any 911 terrorists that were U.S. citizens. In fact, the only U.S. terrorist that comes to mind was a white guy named McVeigh.

[Rockstar]

So he's being detained as a material witness.  What has he said? what has his wife and children said? Oh I forgot the friends of this character said there's a GAG order in place, how convieniant.  Where are is wife and children? Who wrote this story?  Who is sponsering this rally? Why do they need money? Where will this money go? If released will they greet him open arms or is someone waiting to assassinate him because they're afraid he may have talked?

Clearly a left wing wacko attempt to break the very fabric of this great nation.

[john9001]

""This is justice? """

no , mr sandman , it's war

[Sandman]

Originally posted by john9001
""This is justice? """

no , mr sandman , it's war

We're making war against U.S. citizens now?


EDIT: More info --

ACLU of Oregon Criticizes Use of Material Witness Law to Detain U.S. Citizen
 
 
April 3, 2003
 



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

PORTLAND - The American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon today criticized the U.S. Justice Department’s use of the material witness statute to detain Maher "Mike" Hawash, a resident of nearby Hillsboro.

"The use of material witness warrants and attorney gag orders has been part of the Justice Department’s campaign of detention and secrecy targeting Muslim and Arab Americans during the past 18 months," said David Fidanque, Executive Director of the ACLU of Oregon

"The material witness process was designed to be used in cases where there is a great risk that a witness may flee the jurisdiction to avoid testifying," he added, noting that Hawash is a U.S. citizen with strong ties to the local community. "It is designed to preserve evidence, not to indefinitely detain individuals who haven’t been charged with a crime."

FBI agents and members of the Portland Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Hawash on March 20; he is reportedly being held in solitary confinement at the federal prison in Sheridan.

At the same time Hawash was arrested in a parking lot at Intel Corporation, where he works, agents searched his home and served his wife, Lisa Hawash, with a grand jury subpoena.

According to a November 2002 Washington Post story on the use of material witness warrants, more than 40 people have been detained by the Justice Department since September 11, 2001. As of that time, seven of those were U.S. citizens. Federal trial courts have differed on whether the Justice Department’s actions comply with the law or the Constitution.

Fidanque said the ACLU believes the Justice Department is using the law to "bring the full weight of the U.S. government down on individuals and their families to coerce them into doing whatever the government wants."

"All of this has been shrouded in secrecy," Fidanque said. "Since the Justice Department won’t release any information and the lawyers of those who have been detained are under gag orders, there is no way for the public to evaluate whether these unprecedented measures are justified.

What we do know is that our Constitution was designed to prevent government officials from secretly snatching individuals, holding them in isolation for weeks and frightening their families."

"If someone is suspected of a crime, go ahead and arrest him if you have the evidence. If you need someone to testify before a grand jury, give him a subpoena and let him testify."

Friends and co-workers of Hawash have established a website related to his case, which can be found at http://www.freemikehawash.org

Mike Hawash was born in Nablus on the West Bank and was raised in Kuwait before emigrating to the U.S. in 1984. He became a citizen in 1988 after receiving his undergraduate degree from the University of Texas. He has lived in Hillsboro since 1992 and has been a software design employee and contractor for Intel since that time. He and his wife are raising three children.

[Batz]

So because you havent heard about them doesnt mean they arent any. And there been many US "terrorists" that werent white. Look it up.

You link us to biased site that contains very little info other then propaganda designed to elicit funds and maybe some mild "outrage". Big Deal.

Q. Why is Mike being detained?

A. According to press reports citing the Mike is being detained as a “material witness,” but his friends and the public have been given no further explanation or detail of  the reasons for his detention.  Mike's and Lisa's attorneys are working under a court seal -- a "gag order", which also applies to other people in the justice system.  So far, any proceedings that have occurred have been sealed, so we have no way to find out the reason for Mike's detention.  No one has told us why he is being held.

What injustice are you speaking about. The fact you are uninformed as to why he his held?

Our information is that material witness detentions are legitimate for the purposes of securing testimony when the witness with material information is either a flight risk or a danger to the community.

Q. What is a “material witness?”

A. This is defined as any person who may have information pertaining to a criminal investigation for the purpose of testifying before a grand jury or during a criminal proceeding. A federal judge must determine whether the person is, in fact, a material witness and whether he may be detained. Detainment is supposed to be required only if there is a risk of flight or danger.

Oh the injustice of it all

[Batz]

That press release is nothing but spin like that website. They dont know why he is being held. A federal judge ordered him held as well as the gag order. Justice is working just likes its supposed to. The burden is on the government to show why he needs to be held and a judge agreed with him.

You are linking and quoting folks who werent a part of that process and have no idea about the facts.

Again big deal.

[Sandman]

It doesn't trouble you that someone can be arrested and detained without public disclosure?

It doesn't seem the least bit un-Constitutional?


Wow... you guys worry me. You really do.

[Batz]

What right do you have to "public disclosure". The guy has a lawyer, a judge agreed with governments position and ordered him held. Thats "due process".

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Batz
What right do you have to "public disclosure". The guy has a lawyer, a judge agreed with governments position and ordered him held. Thats "due process".

According to Hawash's employer, Steven McCready, no one knows why he is being held, not Hawash, not his wife, nor his attorney.

This is due process?


EDIT: Another link: http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=59377
and another: http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=59495

[Batz]

Mike's and Lisa's attorneys are working under a court seal -- a "gag order", which also applies to other people in the justice system.  So far, any proceedings that have occurred have been sealed, so we have no way to find out the reason for Mike's detention.  No one has told us why he is being held.

From that sites FAQ.

quote from one of the sites you linked

Hawash’s attorneys can’t discuss the case because they are bound by a federal gag order. Hawash’s wife, Lisa, won’t talk about it because she fears repercussions.

I have read each link you posted on this and it would seems his attorneys are informed but bound by the gag order. He has a lawyer and  he has went before a federal judge. Thats as good as it gets.

I really dont care what his employer or advocates say as they arent privy to any more info.

Feel free to work yourself up over it.

[Martlet]

American Justice at work.  Thank God.  One more threat to society off the streets.

Good work.

[SaburoS]

This is justice?

Of coarse not, welcome to the new Amerika (since 9-11). Goose-stepping optional. I guess the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are just written words on paper with no real meaning. By all means let's continue modifying it....until it no longer supports liberty and freedom.