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Offline Habu

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2003, 07:13:35 AM »
Hmmm. I did not know we had a resident expert on all things flying here. What credentials do you have Mr Golfer? Degrees? Advanced degrees?

You seem to have a big mouth and loud opinions. I guess that makes you an expert right?

In Canada Ultralight pilots take lessons and must pass written tests just like GA pilots have to. Our license requirements are a little less stringent in areas like the medical.

To own fly and maintain an ultralight in the most safe manner takes money, knowledge and practice. It is a good thing you decided to leave the sport. You seem to be lacking in some areas.

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2003, 09:57:21 AM »
I hit a golfer with a roll of toilet paper (and it was the commercial scratchy stuff not that soft stuff) from my ultralight once.

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2003, 10:09:03 AM »
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I hit a golfer with a roll of toilet paper (and it was the commercial scratchy stuff not that soft stuff) from my ultralight once.

lazs


A terrorist!!!!

How many Toilet-paper-guided-bombs can load an ultralight?

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2003, 01:44:08 PM »
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Ah hem...would you fly in ANY of those sir?


I would certainly like to give them a try. The sad thing is price per hour isn't really much cheaper than in small GA aircraft. Doing 150 knots with not much aircraft around probably is big fun though.

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the first looks like a Cutlass RG (Cessna 172 with Retracts that are more quirky than a flamingo's legs) the 2nd looked like a small flying coffin.  the third looks like kind of an airplane with its main gear so close together you could blow at it on one side and it will tip over.

::shudders::


They sure don't need as tough landing gear as more heavy aircraft. Also touch down at 20 knots (or whatever) shouldn't be much of a problem no matter how crappy the landing gear might be.

For saftey issues... those carry a chute than can save the aircaft including it's passengers...

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Wonder how many fatal accidents went undocumented...


It just depends on which country you're flying in.

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hey habu
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2003, 02:55:55 PM »
Habu, it's different in the U.S.

To operate an ultralight all that is required as far as certification goes is a drivers license.  FAR Part 103 basically lets airplanes that weigh less than 254 lbs empty and carry five gallons of fuel or less and is not capable of more than 55kts at FULL power in level flight with a stall speed of no more than 24 kts.

Obviously the definitions in Canada and the U.S. are different as none of the aircraft ccvi mentioned would be part 103 legal and thus would be labeled as "Expiremental".

In addition under 103.7 it says "Operators of ultralight vehicles are not required to meet any aeronautical knowledge, age, ore experience requirements to operate those vehicles or to have airman or medical certificates"  So the mere fact you have to have at least some training in Canada means your sport is inherently safer than that in the U.S.

As far as my credentials right now im a certificated pilot in the U.S. with an additional 200-250 hours i would estimate since I was 12 and made my first flight in a powered parchute, with an instructor believe it or not.  I never did look into becoming an ultralight instructor when i became of age mostly because we sold the powered chute and i hadn't kept a logbook.  Time would be divided up between Powered Parachutes and two versions of the Quad City kit Challenger II and Challenger II Special, which is simply a slightly faster clipped wing version of the previous.  A vast majority of the time was in the parawing, i'd say 170 hours, while i had a more accurate record of the Challenger since i paid by the hobbs-hour and that was closer to 55.  As far as operating irresponsibly or unsafely?  never in the parawing and only some minor hedge-hopping (if you would even call it that) in the Challenger.  so 10 hours dual and was able to use the airplane solo.  

Barring some unforseen event I've given up flying ultralights or homebuilts simply because I know too many names of people I used to know.  In the last year and a half in fact two people from the AH squadron have had family members crash in homebuilts, as well as a neighbor was paralyzed in a crash involving landing gear failure of one of the mains and broke his back when the aircraft (loose definition) rolled.



ccvi...
I never said the landing gear looked not rugged enough, simply that the airplanes main landing gear were placed closely together and its more likely to roll if caught by a gust or is turned even a hair too sharply than intended.  If you ask me though doing 150kts with aluminum tubing and stits around me...well i'll just say ill search elsewhere for my kicks.

If you DO want to get into it, you can purchase your own challenger II kit (i have no complaints about this airplane, well built and in its own right without being lopped into the "ultralight" can of worms) completed with good instrumentation and a BRS (Ballistic Recovery System) parachute for <$16,000 USD(2 place "trainer") and as little as $11,000 USD(part 103 legal) which can be assembled in less than 40 hours.  I havent built one on my own but I did have a hand assembling one when it came to fitting control surfaces and that certainly wasnt difficult.  Rental costs if you're lucky enough to have one around to rent or even borrow, will be less than $40/hr, and if you own one maintaining and if you so desire insuring one will be significantly less if you want to factor in fuel/oil only (it will run fine on regular auto gas) you're looking at 10 dollars or less an hour.  Build a simple hangar in your yard if you're fortunate enough to have 500 feet of backyard and store it there, that will save you the trouble of needing to pay as much as 250-300/month on a hangar at an airport.

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2003, 09:00:29 PM »
My Ultralight has a Rotax 912S (100hp ) engine and I am going to have a BRS system installed this summer.

I learned to fly trikes by taking lessons with two instructors. 5 hours with a guy in the US who was very experenced but a bit of a loose cannon and 20 hours with a guy in Canada who had 1000's of hours and does everything by the book.

My training included radio procedures, circuits, emergency procedures and of course lots of takeoffs and landings.

When I get into a proper circuit at the local airport and use proper radio procedures I am amazed at how many times I have seen GA pilots flying the circuits wrong and using terrible radio proceedures.

An ultralight license in Canada gives you the abiltiy to fly a C-150. In Canada we have less fatalities for people with the ultra light license than we do with GA pilots. A GA license in Canada is no guarentee the pilot is good.

Ultralights and  homebuilts can be very dangerous if you do not know what you are doing. Join the EAA, COPA or AOPA and attend training seminars, talk to others who fly why you do. Visit Oshkosh and talk to the experts. Flying is as safe as you want to make it.

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2003, 09:15:14 PM »
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Originally posted by Habu
Hmmm. I did not know we had a resident expert on all things flying here. What credentials do you have Mr Golfer? Degrees? Advanced degrees?

You seem to have a big mouth and loud opinions. I guess that makes you an expert right?

In Canada Ultralight pilots take lessons and must pass written tests just like GA pilots have to. Our license requirements are a little less stringent in areas like the medical.

To own fly and maintain an ultralight in the most safe manner takes money, knowledge and practice. It is a good thing you decided to leave the sport. You seem to be lacking in some areas.


I didn't take this personal before but reading this really gets under my skin now.  Habu please email me and indicate its you in the subject line.

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2003, 10:44:03 PM »
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I no longer do that because i like to think im smarter than some of the nutjobs (hi habu!!) who fly some of these tissue paper and toothpick ultralights out there.


Funny that is just how I felt when I read that.

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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2003, 05:36:22 AM »
It all depends on the definition of ultralight.

For you it's no licence, no airfield, no anything required, every freedom except limited to extremely light aircraft

Here it's license around $4500 (vs. PPL $6500), airfield required, and a C150 can be registered as ultralight. drawback: license can't be upgraded.

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2003, 08:29:51 AM »
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That is one plane I would never fly. Can you imagine 200' agl at 25 mph no armor no weapons and a bunch of marines with m16s under you. Can you say Pinata.



just like in  'a fish called Wanda' where the guy drives a steamroller at 3 mph to run the guy over,  lol

iraqi: 'die die' as he speeds toward his target....
marine looks up and sees a dot in the distance....
iraqi 'For saddam aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....'
marine looks up and see a dot in the distance...
10 minutes later the marine sees a small craft with a man cursing and out of breath at the controls.........
black hawk starts up its rotors to go look and inadvertantly blows the iraqi microlight back they way he came.
iraq: (full throttle and going backwards)'Aw bollocks!' :D