Author Topic: Germany Owes the World an Apology!  (Read 3959 times)

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2003, 11:57:24 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by lord dolf vader
the un wont do anything to us because we have to much power.

we are at this point a rouge nation illeagly attacking another in defiance of the un.


deny that . saying a 12 year old decision superceeds a 1 month old one is antother one of those fun "we dont need no logic"


p.s. asking a question that has nothing to do with the point and demanding an answer as if you were right is a non sequitor argument. i.e. stupid.


Hey Moron, did the UN condem the US action against Iraq? What UN resolution is the US in viloation of?

Maybe it would be easier to list the UN resolutions that Iraq is in violation of.

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2003, 12:02:34 AM »
Still waiting for "Lord dumb vader" to tell me what UN resolution America is in defiance of in regards to Iraq.

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2003, 12:06:48 AM »
Still waiting Dumb Vader.............

Tell me what resolution the US in violation of regarding Iraq.


.

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2003, 12:08:45 AM »
Lord Dumb Vader has been silenced. He cannot tell us what UN resolution the US is in violation of regarding Iraq.


Maybe he could more easily list Iraq's UN violations.

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2003, 12:15:49 AM »
Lord Dumb Vader......... still waiting for you to tell us what UN resolution the US is in violation of regarding Iraq.


You go to bed or something?

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2003, 12:18:54 AM »
Lord Dumb Vader has officially been put to bed.

Offline Puke

  • Parolee
  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 759
      • http://members.cox.net/barking.pig/puke.htm
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2003, 12:35:13 AM »
Quote
were shakeing hands with saddam and helping him eradicate his own people.

You can't always put a lot into a photo of two people shaking hands.  The handshake doesn't connotate anything more than a willingness to have a discussion.  Heck, I've seen pictures of Arafat and Shiron shaking hands.  (I know I butchered those spellings, my apologies.)

A lot of us helped supply Iraq.  USA blew it when it provided some biological warfare materials to Iraq to be used in a purely self defense strategy.  (Which it wasn't...duh!)  Yes, that was wrong.  But don't think France, Germany, China or the USSR is smelling any sweeter.  Most of Iraq's military is made up of French and Soviet weapons...do a little research on your own and see just where most of his arms come from.  Iraq certainly wasn't flying Eagles, Tomcats or Phantoms.  The kicker though is how France sold Iraq (the #2 in oil reserves) a nuclear power plant!  They didn't need the energy, you know.  That was brokered by some guy named Chirac...who runs some little country way east of me.  But France (and Germany, and USSR) continued to arm Saddam...possibly even to just a few months ago.  Tsk, tsk, boys.  Don't you be throwing any stones.


==============
Additional French corporate contacts followed, such as Protec – who furnished millions of dollars' of equipment to six separate plants for making mustard gas and nerve agents, with a capacity of hundreds of tons of nerve agent per year.[5]

Over the last thirty years Mr. Chirac has facilitated, both in and out of government office, the sale and/or transfer to Iraq of:
. . . petrochemical plants, desalinization plants, gas liquefaction complexes, housing projects, telecommunication systems, broadcasting networks, fertilizer plants, defense electronics factories, car assembly plants, a new airport, a subway system, and a navy yard, not to mention Exocet, Milan, HOT, Magic, Martel and Armat missiles; Allouette III, Gazelle, and Super-Puma helicopters; AMX 30-GCT howitzers; Tiger-G radar, and a nuclear reactor capable of making the bomb.[1]

Saddam has stated:
As for financiers, industrialists and above all those responsible for military industry, the question must be put to French politicians: Who did not benefit from these business contracts and relationships with Iraq? . . . With respect to the politicians, one need only refer back to the declarations of all the political parties of France, Right and Left. All were happy to brag about their friendship with Iraq and to refer to common interests. From Mr. Chirac [now the center-right president] to Mr. Chevenement [the socialist former defense minister] . . . politicians and economic leaders were in open competition to spend time with us and flatter us. We have now grasped the reality of the situation [of France's support for the 1991 Gulf War, a betrayal in Saddam's eyes]. If the trickery continues, we will be forced to unmask them, all of them, before the French public.[3]
« Last Edit: April 07, 2003, 12:46:08 AM by Puke »

Offline Frogm4n

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2371
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2003, 12:44:41 AM »
the point i was makeing is that to condem france or germany over selling stuff to iraq is quite silly, and hypicritical. They are scummy for selling stuff to those guys ,but so are we. We are all capitalists so its all good in the long run of things.

Offline Puke

  • Parolee
  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 759
      • http://members.cox.net/barking.pig/puke.htm
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2003, 12:47:21 AM »
Froggy,

I do agree with you that we are all guilty to differing degrees.  It's those differing degrees that people will see differently.

Quote
We are all capitalists so its all good in the long run of things.

Naww, I don't think so.  I hope we all learn from this.  My instinct is that we won't.

Offline Cabby44

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 320
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2003, 01:05:52 AM »
Plenty of "Useful Idiots" in this thread....

Cabby

Offline Martlet

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4390
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2003, 01:48:16 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Frogm4n
the point i was makeing is that to condem france or germany over selling stuff to iraq is quite silly, and hypicritical. They are scummy for selling stuff to those guys ,but so are we. We are all capitalists so its all good in the long run of things.


I do agree to a point.  That point stopped when the UN had to take military action against Iraq.   After the military action, it obviously felt Iraq was still a threat, so it imposed sanctions on it.  Everyone agreed.  Including France, Germany, and Russia.

Then, we find out that countries underhandedly ignored the will of the UN, and continued to sell items to Iraq that were in direct violation of the resolution those same countries had agreed upon.

That is what I'm condemning.

Offline Frogm4n

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2371
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2003, 01:56:35 AM »
What exactly did they sale to the iraqis? is it stuff that is as nasty as biological weopons? most likely not. Un sanctions or not, that is moraly deplorable.

Offline Martlet

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4390
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2003, 01:57:29 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Frogm4n
What exactly did they sale to the iraqis? is it stuff that is as nasty as biological weopons? most likely not. Un sanctions or not, that is moraly deplorable.


No, weapons and parts, mostly.

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2003, 02:13:49 AM »
Wasn't Turkey illegally purchasing oil from Iraq?
sand

Offline straffo

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10029
Germany Owes the World an Apology!
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2003, 02:21:28 AM »
Not exactly Sandman , the kurds where selling stealed  Iraqi Oil  to the turks :)