We Ain't Got No Stinkin' Weapons!!

[Dowding]

...and has the ability to manufacture radioactive material...

You what? I can believe Iraq has C and B facilities, but definitely not nuclear. The uranium supply documents were proven forgeries and Iraq hasn't had a reactor since the Israelis blew it up in '81.

Unlike NK, which already has reactors producing plutonium, an ICBM program and strong links with that international terrorist playground aka Yemen.

[icemaw]

HAHAHAHA told ya told ya told ya.
Now all you naysayers can collectively kiss our entire Buttox!!!


to our allies france germany and russia.
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 To our true allies the brits bloody good show mates =S=

[StSanta]

This is good news indeed.

HOWEVER:

...MAY have found..

is not the same as

...HAS found...

It is wise to have sure knowledge of a party taking place before one starts to done the party gear.

So let's wait til it is confirmed eh udie? No need to tell countries to go **** themselves.

Assuming nothing is found that hasn't been declared, will the US then, by the same rule, go **** itself, apologize to Saddam and restore lives to the thousands of people that are dead?

It should be noted that I am of the firm conviction that Saddam is hiding substantial stocks of WMD.

All I am saying; remain civil and await confirmation, then go ahead with the 'told you so' and other things that will further divide allies.

After all

On Saturday, a U.S. officer said first tests of a suspicious white powder and liquid found on Friday in thousands of boxes south of Baghdad indicated it was not a chemical weapon.

[CptTrips]

sarin (if confirmed) or whatever, are'nt enough to call it Weapon of Mass Destruction.

Hmmmm NEWS FLASH:  Sarin gas no longer considered a weapon of mass destruction.

I suppose you wouldn't consider rockets filled with nerve gas a "material breach" of 1441 either.




Wab

[sling322]

Originally posted by Naso

In my opinion (humble, of course) 20 shell-like full of sarin (if confirmed) or whatever, are'nt enough to call it Weapon of Mass Destruction.

So, I take it you wouldnt mind if we brought them over and dropped them on your neighborhood then, eh?

Its Sarin gas, for shrecks sake....loaded in rockets or missiles or whatever.  Its still something that he (Saddam) said that he didnt have, isnt it?  Its still something that is on the list of banned weapons according to UN sanctions from the Gulf War, isnt it?

[funkedup]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Weazels been banned, he's trying to get banned over at AGW too, but their censors aren't as hard-nosed.

AGW censors?  Hell they won't even ban MG.  The inmates are running the asylum over there.

Actually bad analogy.  It's more like somebody put a brick on the gas pedal and jumped out the window.

[Curval]

Originally posted by sling322
So, I take it you wouldnt mind if we brought them over and dropped them on your neighborhood then, eh?

Its Sarin gas, for shrecks sake....loaded in rockets or missiles or whatever.  Its still something that he (Saddam) said that he didnt have, isnt it?  Its still something that is on the list of banned weapons according to UN sanctions from the Gulf War, isnt it?

I spent my whole lunch hour today arguing with a guy who has been opposing the US since day one.  His arguments have now changed from "There is no evidence of WMD!" to "Chemical and Biological weapons are not WMD...where are the nukes?"

Some people just hate being wrong and refuse to admit it.

[funkedup]

Curval, most of them have already decided there will be no WMD, regardless of the facts.  Their antiamericanism blinds them from seeing the truth.

[Ripsnort]

Kieren said it best on AGW

You (being the anti-Iraq war crowd et al) have shifted the argument variously from "there's no proof anything's there" to "so what if it's there, they can't hurt us with it." In addition, taking the stance "they are no threat to us today" is extremely shortsighted. They have spent the last 12 years preparing for our return, and if that is any indication of their intent with regards to the US, it would at least hint they may go proactive. A lot of assumptions here perhaps (tips hat to Thrawn), but I don't believe it is all that much a stretch.

Imagine this instead... what if Iraq had spent the time dismantling their WMD and biological production instead of building a seige-busting tunnel network under Baghdad? It seems to me their efforts have been more concentrated on hiding what they're doing and keeping us out than in complying with the agreement that ended the first war.

[Saurdaukar]

Co-worker of mine just got back from Europe - said the news has reported over there that US/UK forces have found missiles (type unknown to him) that are in breach of UN resolutions (range) and were built by the French 18 months ago and sold to Iraq.

Anyone hear anything about there state-side?  Looking for link.

[crowMAW]

Well, I just watched Fox news on the subject of the "chemical facility".  They had pics of a site.  They are not sure if it is the same site that was described by Rueters (the originator of the story).  They did say that they have been shown several similar "chemical facilities" and so far all have been pesticides.  The one mentioned in Rueters is highly suspect because of the concentration levels and the lewisite "trace" that was detected, plus because of it's proximity to a military training camp.  It will be several days before the barrels are evacuated and tested.

I'll try to describe the pics they had.  The "pit" looked like an earthen basement dug about 5 ft into the ground, wide enough 3 barrels across and 5 deep.  It had pole beam supports for a ceiling and a tattered woven grass mat for a door.  Inside were barrels that looked like they been there for some time...caked in dirt (perhaps from the recent dust storm though).  Other barrels were standing in the open.

Even the Fox commentator had to admit that sarin was a chemical used in pesticides (unusually candid for Fox).  And said the testers had given a 50% chance that this was weapons chemicals.

If this does pan out because of the lewisite, I don't think there will be a chance that folks can say it was planted by the US.  The "facility" and barrels look like they've been there since well before the war started.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Curval
I spent my whole lunch hour today arguing with a guy who has been opposing the US since day one.  His arguments have now changed from "There is no evidence of WMD!" to "Chemical and Biological weapons are not WMD...where are the nukes?"

Some people just hate being wrong and refuse to admit it.

He can be right it depend if he is using the old pre-97 definition or the new post-97 definition (I won't say what country wanted to add gas to the WMD list but made all it's possible to not have the landmine in the WMD list.)

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by straffo
He can be right it depend if he is using the old pre-97 definition or the new post-97 definition (I won't say what country wanted to add gas to the WMD list but made all it's possible to not have the landmine in the WMD list.)

What makes you think that this definition was changed to add chem/bio in 1997?

-Sik

[straffo]

I've discuted this with Hortlund some week ago leave me a bit of time I'll dig the ressources.

[Sikboy]

I can save you some time, and show how they have been considered WMD for at least the past Thirty One years.

Originally Written into Preambulatory Clause 7 of the Biological Weapons Convention
Convinced of the importance and urgency of eliminating from the arsenals of States, through effective measures, such dangerous weapons of mass destruction as those using chemical or bacteriological (biological) agents,

(emphasis my own)
This was first signed in 1972

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-Sik