Question for Wells and other aeronautical mathmen

[Yeager]

I have run my squeak cycle on the F4U1C.

Sorry if I have offended those that worship this crate.

I understand that most believe everything is honkey dory and Im gonna follow the herd on this.

My one last question is for Wells and has to deal with combat trim.

Is it conceivable that using combat trim in a air to air engagement could improve flight dynamics, especially in vertical reversals and scissors.  My hunch is that it *might* provide a benifit but I was wondering if tests like yours could show if there is any difference in stats combat trim ON and OFF.

I have wondered if the F4Us that pulled instant post merge reversals might have had combat trim on.  I suppose this might address Niks and Spits as well.

Its just a question and not a statement of any particular belief.

Would be interesting!
Thanks,
Yeager

[Westy]

 Good thought. If I can get one of these wierd behavior F4U's to answer channel one, I'll ask about CT.

  -Westy

[Jigster]

Unfortunately I never see Spits, N1K2's or F4U-1C's do anything weird.

Usually, they are flying S&L till about 1.1k, then flop over (and I swear the do the 180 flop in one motion, no frames between upright and floppy fish  )and pull hard. Meanwhile I was so busy trying to get guns before they flopped away, I wasn't watching my airspeed. So, I compress (38/Jug mostly in those cases) pull out without out to much alt loss, only to see my wing rip off from cannon fire from the guy I just tried to bounce.


I ARE DWEEB! (and it sounds like simular things are happening to everybody tho   )
- Jig

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Every book I ever read on WW2 aircombat said, and I quote "whenever bounced from above and behind do everything in your power to stall and spin your aircraft as usually this will lead to a quick victory if the foolish enemy pilot actually belives that aircraft need speed and forward motion to fly"  Yep every single one of them said it in their books, Bud Anderson, Sakai, Hartmann, Hienz Knoke- BTW this guy said something about a move called a spiral climb that he said was great in a 109- sheesh what would he know.    

[Westy]

 The Flipper Dance as I see it: The bogy is flying with the spinner pointed forward (normal), then suddenly points the nose straight up so now the belly is flying forward, then flicks and inverts, pulls down, then pulls around so now the plane ios flying sideways through the air, rolls left or right a couple of times to an extremely high angle of attack, then pulls back up flicking the nose to the ten position with the belly once again poitning into the wind. Does all this and the craft STILL maintains forward momentum and the pilot doesn't suffer any effect.
 The aircraft performs like a TIE fighter. And no. This is not lag unduced nor warps. It's a deliberate "gaming" of the game.
 
 -Westy

[Minotaur]

I have seen other A/C do this zoom  "Stand On Flipper Tail Dance", not just the N1K2, Spit or the Chog.

I was certain that I was seeing the beginnings of a serious stall for that A/C.  However; unbelieving as my eyes saw, they continued the zoom well enough to shoot me down.

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

[Pyro]

All combat trim does is set your trim tabs based on speed.  It is literally just a table set up for each plane that says if I'm at this speed, set my trim tabs to this position.  The flight model doesn't work differently in CT and nothing else goes on.  



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

[ra]

The only time I've seen planes flop around is when I'm in a large mission just launching, or when I'm attack a large buff formation.  It seems either my FE or the host can't keep up with the position of every plane and planes start flipping backwards and sidewards all over.  It seems like a crowded sky phenomenon.

ra