Author Topic: Some Posters crying "tears as big as horse turds" (Read 1740 times)

Toad · « **on:** April 09, 2003, 07:44:21 AM »

Reuters: Saddam's Rule Collapses; Looters Rampage

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Saddam Hussein's rule collapsed in chaos in Baghdad on Wednesday as elated Iraqis welcomed U.S. forces while looters and gunmen ran wild.

As U.S. Marines rolled in from the east to a joyous reception on day 21 of the war, hundreds of people gutted official buildings, dragging off all they could carry, from air conditioners to flowers.

"People, if you only knew what this man did to Iraq," yelled an old man standing in the road, thrashing at a torn portrait of Saddam with his shoe. "He killed our youth, he killed millions."

CNN: CHEERS IN BAGHDAD

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- As residents on the outskirts of Baghdad took to the streets in celebration, the center of the Iraqi capital was relatively quiet Wednesday, a sharp contrast to previous days....

But in the Baghdad suburb of Saddam City, residents were in the streets, celebrating the apparent end of the Iraqi regime. A Shiite Muslim leader told a group of 400 to 500 people, "The tyrant of the world is finished, thanks to the coalition. Thank God for Iraq the victorious."

BBC: Saddam regime crumbles in Baghdad

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Jubilant Iraqis have greeted arriving marines in the Shia stronghold of Saddam City, the BBC's Andrew Gilligan in Baghdad reports.

Fox: Saddam Loses Control of Baghdad; Looting Rampant

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Jubilant crowds swarmed into the streets of the Iraqi capital -- dancing, looting and defacing images of Saddam as U.S. commanders declared that his regime's rule over the capital had ended.
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Marine tanks rolled into the commercial center, greeted by people cheering and waving white flags.

Civilians gestured to the Americans with V-for-victory signs. "We were nearly mobbed by people trying to shake our hands," said Maj. Andy Milburn of the 7th Marines.

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I suggest we send "Task Force Blitz", a crack unit of this BBS' posters immediately.

These Iraqis must be told they are NOT happy before it's too late!.

Quick... no time to lose! Enlist in Task Force Blitz today!

Hristo · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2003, 07:56:37 AM »

Quite low for you, Toad.

Insinuating anti-war was pro-Saddam now, eh ?

Dowding · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:00:23 AM »

You were against this war Toad. Let's not lose sight of that as we jump up and down and point fingers.

Has anyone doubted that the Iraqi people were opressed by a nutcase dictator, and would love a shot at freedom? I don't think I've seen anyone argue that Saddam was a well-liked tyrant popular with his captives...err... citizens.

lazs2 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:02:54 AM »

well... I won't believe it until boroda or am read translate it for me from pravda.... that is if us imperialists haven't murdered all their journalists yet.
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:07:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Has anyone doubted that the Iraqi people were opressed by a nutcase dictator, and would love a shot at freedom?

Not to my knowledge, but many people here seem to naively think that if the UN had asked really really nicely that their lot in life would have changed.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:10:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Has anyone doubted that the Iraqi people were opressed by a nutcase dictator, and would love a shot at freedom? I don't think I've seen anyone argue that Saddam was a well-liked tyrant popular with his captives...err... citizens.

No one doubted that, but alot of you doubted it was any of our business...there are a few million Iraqi's who are glad it was our business...we'll point you guys out once everything calms down;)

Toad was against the US going in without UN sanctions like myself, quite different from anti-war my young friend. Once we *did* go in, Toad, like myself, was 100% behind the Commander in Chief in his decision.

Dowding · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:11:00 AM »

What was the casus belli when all this started? What gave rise to Res. 1441? Comparitively, what was NOT mentioned until long after the whole crisis had started?

Hristo · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:12:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Once we *did* go in, Toad, like myself, was 100% behind the Commander in Chief in his decision.

Gee, i can already see Rip waving US flag on some Baghdad rubble

. What a hero !

Dowding · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:12:27 AM »

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Toad was against the US going in without UN sanctions like myself, quite different from anti-war my young friend. Once we *did* go in, Toad, like myself, was 100% behind the Commander in Chief in his decision.

I wouldn't want to speak for others with such authority, but I think you'll find that the lack of UN mandate was my sticking point, old timer.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:35:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Hristo
Gee, i can already see Rip waving US flag on some Baghdad rubble . What a hero !

I know it sucks being wrong all the time Hristo, the dark humor you portray is evidence...go ahead, I feel your pain.

Hristo · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:45:27 AM »

Must be great to be a pulled-gun-upon-twice cheerleading patriot, like you Rip.

Can you post some more of your war images, please ?

batdog · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:47:47 AM »

You know.. I see alot of indiv's here saying they are against the war but realise Saddam was/is a butcher.

I just dont get it... your against a war that served to free a people oppressed? Oh sure..there are a 1000 gooddamn geopolitical reasons to say why the US really waged it...but hell look at the BASE result.

I quess I'm just too stupid to see the "big" picture. I just like the little one of a guy holding his kid and dancing in streets cause he knows his child has a chance to grow up w/some choices maybe that he didnt enjoy most of his.

Toad · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:51:36 AM »

A quick review:

I did oppose this invasion of Iraq by US forces without UN SC sanction.

I did write my representatives stating that. Repeatedly.

The ONLY reason to go was to enforce UN SC 1441, destroying Iraq's WMD capabiliites. This has not, as yet, been validated.

As Rip pointed out, however, once it starts the best thing is for it to be over quickly. I did indeed support that.

HOWEVER........

it is also pretty clear, with the rest of what is coming to light, that the Iraqi people were terribly and brutally oppressed and appear to be quite glad to be rid of Hussein's regime. I believe, as days pass, more and more Iraqis show that to be true beyond question.

Dowding · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2003, 08:54:51 AM »

I guess it depends whether you think this solution of one problem, has merely spawned many more, Batdog.

This new found morality about the plight of the Iraqi masses is touching, but I didn't see many threads about them until the US/UK camp switched tack to make the war for disarmament a moral issue.

There is no such thing as an ethical foreign policy - just the illusion of one born out of political expedience.

Toad · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2003, 09:04:53 AM »

Blame where blame is due.

All of this could have easily been avoided if Hussein had complied with the UN SC resolutions. Right up front, not lame minimal attempts and dodges 12 years into it.

The freedom of the Iraqi people is an incredibly valuable side benefit to THEM of their leader's fatal miscalculations.

The "morality" issue could never be raised as causus belli. You know that. Look to the slaughter in Africa that continues. Look at the slaughter in Kosovo that took and illegal act by NATO to stop. Face facts; the UN will never interfere/intervene in purely internal genocide.

Nonetheless, the freedom the Iraqis are now celebrating IS a tangible and priceless side benefit of this action to enforce 1441.

And as I said, as yet that concern has not yet been validated.