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« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2003, 11:05:10 AM »
Yes. And the BBC channels do not. The latter method works far better, IMO. Fims aren't interupted and you can watch a whole football knowing there won't be crappy adverts at half time for ten minutes. It's good to watch a whole episode of 24 and not have it interrupted. You have to see it for yourself to appreciate how big a difference it makes.

Like I said, it's personal preference.
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« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2003, 11:07:08 AM »
lol sorry I was just messing with Karnak :D

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« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2003, 11:10:11 AM »
If they offered commercial-less TV out here for an extra fee I would gladly pay that.

I would never want it as a mandatory tax though.
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« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2003, 11:14:38 AM »
Ah, was under the false impression then that all your televison was government operated. Free enterprise and competition are not yet dead there afterall.

I bet you might not feel so fond of the BBC if those in charge decided that coverage of your beloved soccer (sorry, can't bring myself to call it football) was not in the best interest of the country and stopped showing it.

BTW, we have pay for TV here as well, very popular and competitive.
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« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2003, 11:55:52 AM »
You've got it the wrong way around - the BBC came first, then commercial TV. Competition was the later development.

If football (sorry I can't bring myself to call it soccer ;)) was 'banned' from the BBC, then ITV or SKY would buy it up (football TV rights are very expensive and the BBC shows a lot less than it used to due to losing out in the bidding wars).
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« Reply #65 on: April 09, 2003, 12:09:53 PM »
dowding... if you were talking to me... I meant that the bbc was on the "dole"... they are being funded...

As for the unemployument benifiets... are you saying that British pay out less money in unemployment benifiets or that there are less people on unemployment compensation.... a very large difference.    I believe that the U.S. weekly benifiet is allmost  $400 these days.
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« Reply #66 on: April 09, 2003, 12:15:10 PM »
No, I'm saying that the proportion of the population unemployed is lower.

Who funds the commercial news stations? Is the Dirty Digger going to have no say in the running of his station(s)? If the BBC is biased by the people who fund it, shouldn't you be claiming that it had a pro-war bias?
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« Reply #67 on: April 09, 2003, 12:31:40 PM »
what is the rate over the past few years for both countries?

What I am saying is that once funded by tax money, any entity is unaccountable..  ask anyone in the U.S. about which way tax funded, public radio and tv lean ihere and they will tell you that U.S. ones are to the left of weasel..     Commercial stations have to please the people who fund them not  tax supported ones...   If you don't have to compete you become a haven for lefties.
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« Reply #68 on: April 09, 2003, 12:36:49 PM »
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Commercials suck ass.

I happily pay the license fee.


Socialism sucks ass.

I happily fast forward through commercials.  :)

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« Reply #69 on: April 09, 2003, 12:38:30 PM »
4.2% versus 6% is a recent comparison.

There's plenty of accountability. To the licence fee payer, like the share holder in a commercial company.

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happily fast forward through commercials. :)


While you're watching 24? Or watching a live football game? ;)
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« Reply #70 on: April 09, 2003, 12:48:19 PM »
Dowding, so the football licensing issues are why sometimes when I watch Sky Sports News they don't show EPL highlights, they just show the after match interviews?  Basically the BBC doesn't release the footage of the games to Sky until later in the week?

I watched a whole hour of Sky Sports News once, and saw every frickin' goal from the 1st - 3rd divisions from that day, but only two match highlights from the EPL  (I was ticked, that was the day that McBride scored 2 for Everton and I wanted to see the goals!)  Speaking of EPL, Newcastle v Man Utd this Saturday!  wooo!

Also, no commercials during 24??  When do you refresh your drink and take a leak???  ;)  No advertisements during football halftimes?  Wow, in the US, 75% of the conversations after the Super Bowl are solely about the commercials!  :D
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« Reply #71 on: April 09, 2003, 01:02:25 PM »
It's a bit complicated Nifty. The BBC used to own the rights to the saturday highlights and all the games. That was a long time ago, and the rights to the games themselves were sold to Sky (satellite channel), but the BBC highlights show still had first dibs on showing those highlights. Sky would generally just show the odd Sunday and mid-week games.

Now, the EPL (geez, that sounds so weird ;)) asked for more money, and the BBC refused to pay and the rights went to ITV, which is a commercial terrestrial channel. It lost a lot of viewers though - the BBC show was much better. Sky still holds the rights to show games not played on the saturday.

That's how I understand the chain of events, but I might be wrong. :) If you can watch the Newcastle game live, the agreements must just cover the UK.

A certain proportion of England internationals have to be shown on terrestrial television - as opposed to subscriber services like Sky. This means 15 million people can watch us play like lame donkeys compared to just 2 million. :D

As for taking a leak - I've not had a problem. Although, I avoid drinking too much beer when watching England play because I become a little too loud and loutish if they do badly. ;)

I suppose the half-time commentary would not be missed a lot of the time - although the BBC tends to be entertaining. They have Alan Hanson (Scottish hard nosed defender), Ian Wright and Gary Linekar as anchorman. Ian Wright is the most passionate England supporter you could think of - very funny.

BTW, did you see the England v Turkey qualifier? If not, you missed a good 'un! :)
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« Reply #72 on: April 09, 2003, 01:18:23 PM »
I believe 6% is a yeartime high for the U.S. while 4.2% is about your lowest?   average... not much to choose between the two.

Who pays the benifiets in england?   Here it is payed by the employer as an "insurance".
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« Reply #73 on: April 09, 2003, 01:24:17 PM »
*hijacked!*

nope, the qualifier wasn't on here that I think.  I could have probably PPV'ed it, but I'm not paying $20 for one game unless the boys are wearing the patch you see to the left.  ;)  They very rarely will show an international qualifier.  We will get to see some of the finals in Euro 2004.  Not sure how much group play, but quite a bit of the knockout stages are shown here.

Who has the rights to the early Saturday matches, ITV?  Whenever you guys have a Saturday match played at 12:30pm your time, we get to see that one live on Fox Sports World (who also shows the Sky Sports News program here.)  Otherwise, we get a match or two delayed (and our Sunday match is never live, but always delayed a couple of hours.)

Our Bundesliga matches we get to see are usually live on FSW.  The Brazilian, Argentinan and Spanish matches are not live though.  I miss the Eiredivisie and Serie A matches though.  Wish those were on instead of the South American domestic leagues.  :(

I wonder how much FSW pays to show that Saturday match live?  I personally won't watch the live broadcast because it's at 6:30 am my time, and they are replaying it at 11am my time, which is far easier for me!  ;)
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« Reply #74 on: April 09, 2003, 04:34:28 PM »
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Commercials suck ass.

I happily pay the license fee.


This makes you a consumer.

WRT standard broadcast television in the United States, the attention of the viewers is the product that is being bought and sold. We aren't consumers. We're product.
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