Author Topic: Patriot Act (Read 2656 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #30 on:** April 10, 2003, 07:12:27 AM »

Paraniod bunch of hand wringing ladies

Frogm4n · « **Reply #31 on:** April 10, 2003, 07:59:27 AM »

paranoid?! if you dont like it you can geeeeeet out.

Bodhi · « **Reply #32 on:** April 10, 2003, 08:48:20 AM »

While I love America, this expansion of the powers of surveillance is beginning to scare the crap outta even me. The Constitution was very specific when it came to this...

AKIron · « **Reply #33 on:** April 10, 2003, 09:10:21 AM »

Still waiting for someone to post something from the Patriot Act, not the ACLU's interpretation. Dinger posted something but I fail to see anything fearful in it.

Here's my slant. The liberals want very badly to discredit the conservatives in this country and at almost any cost including claims that the current administration is denying liberty. These type of fear tactics can only be exposed by the truth and "it is out there."

Read the thing before you get all worked about it. Or, keep your paranoia to yourself.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #34 on:** April 10, 2003, 10:17:51 AM »

if your a suspected terrorist they can detain you without trial indefinately.... thats sick.

john9001 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 10, 2003, 10:30:15 AM »

i wonder what you people are trying to hide? "sensitive personal information"? what is that? my life is a open book, i have nothing to hide, i am not commiting any crimes, have not commited any.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #36 on:** April 10, 2003, 10:40:04 AM »

i have nothing to hide, but that much power of a human being is not something our government should have. People make mistakes, and the people our government arrests and for what reasons should be an open book. Humans are are inherently fallible.

Dowding · « **Reply #37 on:** April 10, 2003, 10:44:01 AM »

You have absolute faith in the security services not to abuse this new power?

You have absolute faith in all the security services that come in later years?

You have eternal faith that there is no corruption now and will never be any corruption?

Wow.

These new rights will never be revoked. Once the government obtains an inch, they never give it back. That's why critical scrutiny and debate has to occur before more power is given to them.

It's not a case of having 'nothing to hide'. It's a case of one day having 'nothing to give away'.

midnight Target · « **Reply #38 on:** April 10, 2003, 10:54:05 AM »

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) project of conducting “voluntary interviews” with law-abiding Americans has involved questions like how often they worship at a particular mosque or whether they oppose the war in Iraq.

That is from the ACLU report.

AKIron · « **Reply #39 on:** April 10, 2003, 10:56:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
You have absolute faith in the security services not to abuse this new power?

I have faith in my ability to read and understand what I read. So far all I've read by those posting here is "the sky is falling". How about some substance?

I like to form my own opinions and base them on as many facts as I can get. Since the "Patriot Act" has been "linked" in this thread I see no reason why the objectors can't point out specifically what they find so offensive.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #40 on:** April 10, 2003, 11:29:49 AM »

ok here it is in simple speak. some one man or any number of men will be able to lock you up if they just say you are a terrorist.you might never see a judge or mor importantly a fair public jury of your peers.

this power will be missused as it has no check to balance it. you are aware of human nature yes ? absolute power corrupts how? i am truly sorry to insult you but if you cant see the danger here you are somehow blind.

it completly undermines the whole concept of of our law. four thousand years of stupid and wise men led to the system we have now. how they have the audacity to think of changing it is beyond me. if they are incompetent to do their jobs with the rules layed down over the previously mentioned 4k years they need to admit failing and let somone else try.

AKIron · « **Reply #41 on:** April 10, 2003, 11:37:31 AM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
ok here it is in simple speak. some one man or any number of men will be able to lock you up if they just say you are a terrorist.you might never see a judge or mor importantly a fair public jury of your peers.

Where exactly do you find that in the Patriot Act?

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #42 on:** April 10, 2003, 11:48:24 AM »

ohh i get it you want me to argue that the first end run around our constitution dosent clearly state that you can have the above mentioned done to your person. while the patriot act 2 is public and the fruition of the plans started in patriot act 1. its good enough for me.

they and you cannot have one smidgen of a dab of a piece of my freedom in the name of safty. this is step 1 our of the fascism for dummys handbook.

to to repeat you trying the old conservative am talk radio parrot trick you are trying is rejected. thanks for playing

Mini D · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2003, 11:54:52 AM »

I don't view any acts or legislation based on the idea that "the Constitution makes it too difficult to catch people" as a good idea.

MiniD

AKIron · « **Reply #44 on:** April 10, 2003, 11:56:27 AM »

Just as I thought LDV.