Author Topic: Anyone else worried about Syria? (Read 2759 times)

Dowding · « **Reply #30 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:25:44 PM »

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We have to weild this power reponsibly, so we may maintain our status, and better the world at the same time.

Well said Muckmaw. I hope there are many more who hold that view in America.

rc51 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:27:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Maybe you should concentrate on improving the average Iraq's deal right now. That looting and wanton destruction is the Coalition's responsibility and should have been considered before kick-off.

True!
need to get Iraq fixed up and on way to a lawful society.
Then go kick the crap out of syria.

Steve · « **Reply #32 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:29:17 PM »

Rasker, it's extreme but I am serious. I honestly do not believe we should be feeding third world populations when there are so many domestic folks who are not getting the same opportunities that I did. I'm grew up in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, and had access to a good education. I think every single child in the U.S... yes EVERY one... black, yellow, white... green... should have an opportunity to get a quality education. Sure inner city kids can choose to go to school... but is it a quality school with good educators? Is it safe? There are many fine educators out there, but think of the fantastic minds we could attract to be educators if the salary was more commensurate with other professionals. If we turned our foreign aid inward.. EVERY kid that wanted to go to college could go. Many other countries' children get a far better education than does our typical child. As the leading country in the world... this seems Bassackwards. We need to take care of our own people first, IMHO.

Steve · « **Reply #33 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:33:02 PM »

Miko: "If they are doing such a lousy job as you claim, they sound overpaid. "

As I have stated: "think of the fantastic minds we could attract to be educators if the salary was more commensurate with other professionals."

Miko:"So you want to cause more of our population to "do nothing more than hold their hands out and make babies"? Better destroy african societies with welfare money rather than ours, don't you think? "

I NEVER said anything about welfare... so you can stop right there.

I ONLY mentioned education opportunites.. that's it... nothing more. Get it?

Steve · « **Reply #34 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:39:45 PM »

"Maybe you should concentrate on improving the average Iraq's deal right now. That looting and wanton destruction is the Coalition's responsibility and should have been considered before kick-off."

How are we responsible for this? Dowding, this is just plain rediculous. The people commiting the looting are responsible.
If the police force in your neighborhood disappears and you go to your neighbor's house and steal his TV, I suppose you are going to blame the police right? lol.

Who says it wasn't considered? Do you know it wasn't? Maybe it was labeled as an unavoidable side effect of curing Iraq of Saddam. Listen Dowding, this is important. The coalition cannot police these people.
The world would jump on our butts for doing it, and the Iraqi's would be up in arms over it. The looting needs to be stopped, but not by coalition forces. An Iraqi police force need to be established so they can police themselves. This cannot be done while there is still a war going on.

muckmaw · « **Reply #35 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:42:57 PM »

We've done this sort of thing before.

Why can't we bring in the UN peacekeepers to police the Iraqi's until an infrastructure is set up?

AKIron · « **Reply #36 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:49:17 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
US Security Council is defunct for all practical purposes.

miko

You just now realizing that? Became the case soon as France said they'd veto anything proposed by the US. Assume you meant UN Security Council.

Steve · « **Reply #37 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:50:37 PM »

I dunno Muck. I'm guessing that the coalition intends to have the Iraqi's set up a police force ASAP. I think the Iraqi's need to become autonomous right away. Already there are examples of Iraqi's dealing with looters on their own. I mean, this looting has been going on for how long.. a couple/few days? Is this really any length of time in the big picture? I guess I'm not totally sure how we should go about things here.. could be a political mess that is avoidable with the right decisions.

miko2d · « **Reply #38 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:58:29 PM »

AKIron: You just now realizing that? Became the case soon as France said they'd veto anything proposed by the US. Assume you meant UN Security Council.

They most likely did not say just "anything" but "anything concerning the Iraq" - and they had very good idea what we wanted to propose, so even here their "anything" should not be interpreted as anything at all.

I ment more general case that they will not adopt any resolution that could possibly be interpreted by US as an excuse to go kill someone.
Just a legal note. Has nothing to do with my overestimating the role of UN. The country of my birth ignored US when US president was still in his diapers...

miko

AKIron · « **Reply #39 on:** April 11, 2003, 03:06:51 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
I ment more general case that they will not adopt any resolution that could possibly be interpreted by US as an excuse to go kill someone.

I think you're right about the UN being defunct. Your snide remark about the US having "an excuse to go kill someone" is very telling. Seems to me you have much bitterness towards the USA. No one forcin' ya to stay.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #40 on:** April 11, 2003, 03:10:20 PM »

Dennis Miller said it best; "I went to the UN the other day, picked up the guidebook, and even it didn't have a spine."

2stony · « **Reply #41 on:** April 11, 2003, 03:21:47 PM »

Originally posted by Steve:

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I'm all for WWIII. Time to kill the bad guys again.

Why don't you line up and be the first one killed since you're so in favor of it. Some people just are lacking in brain matter(yes, you).

miko2d · « **Reply #42 on:** April 11, 2003, 03:39:29 PM »

AKIron: Your snide remark about the US having "an excuse to go kill someone" is very telling. Seems to me you have much bitterness towards the USA. No one forcin' ya to stay.

I obviously ment US government, but since I was explaining the futire position and point of view of the UN member countries and they see the US government as representing the whole of the US, that's what they will think. Many americans do not make a distinction, so the foreigners are even less likely to do so.

The fact that I quote verbatim what someone else thinks or says is in no way indicative of what I think myself. You are just confusing a messenger with a message - somethng that SH was accused of.

If you care to know, no need to guess. Ask me and I will tell you whatever you want to know about what I think.
I certainly have my issues with US government in general and this administration in particular, but I certainly do not believe that president Bush is just looking for a chance to kill someone.
He is operating withing an existing system and he is misguided or misled in certain matters, imo, but I do not much doubt his morals or personal integrity.

miko

AKIron · « **Reply #43 on:** April 11, 2003, 03:44:50 PM »

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I certainly do not believe that president Bush is just looking for a chance to kill someone.
He is operating withing an existing system and he is misguided or misled in certain matters, imo, but I do not much doubt his morals or personal integrity.

Glad you cleared that up for me.

Dowding · « **Reply #44 on:** April 11, 2003, 03:51:33 PM »

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You just now realizing that? Became the case soon as France said they'd veto anything proposed by the US. Assume you meant UN Security Council.

You just realizing that? Just check out the number of resolutions vetoed by the US. Especially in conjunction with those concerning Israel.

No-one has vetoed more resolutions than the US.