Author Topic: Anyone else worried about Syria? (Read 3029 times)

Steve · « **Reply #60 on:** April 11, 2003, 08:43:54 PM »

Gscholz, I read that article... very interesting.

Syria supports terrorist regimes, is known to have terrorists within its' borders, and has WMD. Hmmmm I smell the perfect recipe for regime change.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #61 on:** April 11, 2003, 08:52:11 PM »

i was always pissed when my sister would grab the toy from the cereal first...

So waht i woul ddo ..as soon as my mom wne tshopping..I opend up the Cpat Crunch Berries..poured it itno a bowl ..got the prize...And showed my sister....

She would then pin me down...and would do the old..hanging lougy trick...

when i turned 12..she was 5 years older..i socked her in belly..it all ended aftyer that,,,

Yes..I too am worried about my cereal

Love
BiGB

Bodhi · « **Reply #62 on:** April 11, 2003, 08:58:56 PM »

2stony, You need to get off the name calling playground and develop an argument other than the "jack-boot" b.s. THis is America and Steve has a right to an opinion, that at least is not based on name calling like yours... Sheesh...

Skuzzy · « **Reply #63 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:05:42 PM »

By the way Steve....Thank you.

Steve · « **Reply #64 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:12:46 PM »

Hangtime · « **Reply #65 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:42:53 PM »

NUKE · « **Reply #66 on:** April 11, 2003, 10:20:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Lybia? Isn't that a part of the female anatomy?

AKIron - So the US looks after its own interest. Fine. And you criticise France for doing the same?

I have no problem with France looking after it's own interests.

What France has done is meddle with ours. The only interest France was protecting regarding Iraq was it's apparent interest in becoming a roadblock to anything being done to make Iraq comply with it's cease-fire agreements.

NUKE · « **Reply #67 on:** April 11, 2003, 10:40:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
hawks in the adminstration are pushing for the same idea I am, they want Syria, Saudi, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, and a handful of other to have regime changes, and done forcefully. This pretty much would involve most of the relevent forces of the world, one way or another. Hence a world wide conflagration.
Your presumption that I want cleansing is dead on, if you are referring to eliminating terrorists and all countries that knowingly/willingly harbor them. Quit commenting on my posts Stony, unless you have some kind of thought out response. Your knee jerk, canned retorts may sound indignant to you but to me, they read like a person who didn't bother to understand the text they were reading. Go away, or send in one of your parents to discuss this with me, then have them explain it to you.

I agree with Steve. I want America to take the fight to the one's who openly support terrorism and plot to kill Americans and destroy our country.

If some two bit dictator run ( or similar) state is stupid enough to harbor and support terrorism, they need to be wiped out with the same lack of mercy that they would offer us.

Now is the time to take the fight to our enemies . I believe that what is happening already could be considered WWIII and once again, we didn't start it but we will damn sure finish it.

Now ( or soon) is the logical time to deal with any threats in the middle east. We have all that force there now and you can be sure that we are not going away until we are sure there in no more "work" to be done in the area ........I can pretty much promise you that.

Like it or not, we are not playing games anymore. We have a force on the ground and we have enemies near by.

senna · « **Reply #68 on:** April 11, 2003, 11:01:16 PM »

This situation sucks.

Dowding · « **Reply #69 on:** April 12, 2003, 04:11:40 AM »

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What France has done is meddle with ours. The only interest France was protecting regarding Iraq was it's apparent interest in becoming a roadblock to anything being done to make Iraq comply with it's cease-fire agreements.

You could definitely argue, and argue convincingly, that the US led move to remove Hussein with force 'meddles' with French interests notably the huge debt owed to them by Iraq. And if you want to take the moral high ground with that particular issue, you would have to ignore the whole history of Iraqi-Western relations since 1918.

Internal politics is dirty. International politics is a drunken tramp who hasn't had a bath in 10 years.

muckmaw · « **Reply #70 on:** April 12, 2003, 07:25:30 AM »

I don't know, Steve. It sounds to me like you calling for the 4th Crusade. (Are we up to 4?)

At least, that's how it's going to be interpresting to the entire muslim world. You said something about moderates. Could you imagine how many current moderate Muslims would become extremists if we rolled M1's into Mecca, or Medina?

We had something solid to work with in Iraq, even if many countries did not agree. We had the invasion of Kuwait. We had a ruthless dictator. We had 12 years, 17 resolutions, and 1441. We had just cause.

I think we would need similar cause to go after Syria, and the rest. Whether that incitement be true, or fabricated, we need to do some diplomatic work before we start shooting.

Hangtime · « **Reply #71 on:** April 12, 2003, 01:24:08 PM »

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Yup, it positivelly reaks. However Syria looks to be a much thougher nut to crack than Iraq ever was.

maybe; say, 5 weeks instead of three?

Steve · « **Reply #72 on:** April 12, 2003, 01:35:18 PM »

muck... 4th crusade.. maybe. The fact is, as I've said: the vast majority of terrorists are militant muslims coming from muslim countries. I suppose some would like to avoid our problems because it would be racial profiling? It's a damned shame that it is this way, but do you know many other religions that actually pray for the downfall of the U.S.? Ask God to kill all Americans?
Teach their children that killing Americans is a good thing? View people who have committed mass murder by blowing themselves up, as heroes? It may not be politically correct, but it seems to me that there are a lot of muslim nations that harbor these feeling along with their terrorists. I know from experience that the guy that lands the first punch usually wins...it may not be politically correct either, but once you've made a decison that there is going to be a fight.. waiting for the other guy to swing is just plain unwise. I think the U.S. is at that stage. What brought us to this point is now moot, we're in a fight with these nations/terrorists.. we may as well get them first.

Charon · « **Reply #73 on:** April 12, 2003, 04:15:55 PM »

I'll ask you a question Steve. Once we defeat all these threats (or at least their formal militaries) with our superior firepower -- what do we do then? Will your average Syrian, Libyan, Iranian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Pakistani, Saudi and by that point maybe even Kuwaiti think he is being liberated? These are already relatively free, proud societies -- certainly compared to Iraq.

How many millions of soldiers would we need to commit to a full scale, multi-decade occupation of the Middle East? How much cost in gold and blood? I mean hell, we don't really know if the end game is going to work in Iraq just yet, which represents by far the easiest "democratization" scenario of the bunch. If the end game doesn't work, then all the initial success in the world just doesn't matter.

Personally, I think we need to solve some of the core problems before we work to put a Band-Aid on any more of the symptoms.

Charon

muckmaw · « **Reply #74 on:** April 12, 2003, 06:19:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
do you know many other religions that actually pray for the downfall of the U.S.? Ask God to kill all Americans?
Teach their children that killing Americans is a good thing? View people who have committed mass murder by blowing themselves up, as heroes?

Shinto, Japan WWII.

Blowing themselves up...Kamikaze.

Remember how fanatical we thought they were? The American Japanese that were put in camps. Don't think it could happen again? This was only 60 years ago.

I don't know what the answer is Steve. If I did, maybe I'd be president. But I do know that what you are proposing is the most frightening scenario possible to me.

We'll see how it plays out.