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Offline Otto

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how do you feel about the looting and disorder in Iraq?
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2003, 02:42:07 PM »
I don't feel anything.  It's not important..

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2003, 03:07:26 PM »
Looting and disorder is allowable provided a) Your favorite sports team has just won a major championship, b) You are a participant at a peace demonstration or c) The oppressive dictator of your country and his entire regime have just been overthrown.

Frankly the Raiders fan in me shed an envious tear watching the people of Baghdad celebrating their liberation. Had things turned out differently in the Super Bowl that could have been me out there looting stores and starting fires... in Oakland, of course.

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2003, 04:03:39 PM »
Fair enough airhead, but when the hospitals are full, people are nicking important equipment from the hospitals and there is little or no clean water at said hospitals - it detracts from this great victory we have won.

People are dying right now. And the country is being taken apart bit by bit.

Kanth - then who's going to be the police, work the hospitals or do the basic municipal functions?
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2003, 04:12:54 PM »
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how can you trust the police here??

LOL...good point!

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2003, 04:16:19 PM »
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how can you trust the police here??


We elect their bosses.  We also have effective legal mechanisms to control their actions and punish their transgressions.

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2003, 04:49:20 PM »
This kind of craps happens when people, under years of oppression loose the right view of what is "freedom".
Add a status of great poverty and you have an explosive and dangerous situation.
Us and Brits army are doing what they can, but its not so simple.
There will be necessity of trained personal , an infantry man is not trained for this.
Mostly, you have to reeducate these  people to freedom without giving them the sense of "occidental oppression" (don't know if its a correct expression).
Here, IMO US need the collaboration of all the other allied nations, and of  organizations like UN.
The risk of being considered as "conquerors" or "colonialists" from all the arab world must be avoided at all costs.
A war has been almost won, now its time to win a peace and this will not  be easier nor quick.
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2003, 05:29:08 PM »
You'll find that we (read Americans following and even during the revolutionary war) were in certain stages of chaos, though muted because of our own documents and pre-war decisions made the transition to our own self governing nation relatively easy compared to the events to take place in the future in Iraq. (1st and 2nd Continental Congress evolved into the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution)

I do feel that the looting is being hyped up to an extent greater than it is and should be.  What would you or I do if we'd lived through 3 decades of oppressive rule and that one day just suddenly came to an end.  I'd think I'd want to seek and destroy every representitive item from that body of government and would feel quite good stomping on the leader's photographs and stealing back some of the items of luxury they used while I was starving and suffering at their hands.  

Even American soldiers were guilty of this at the conclusion of WWII, even going so far as I'm sure you know taking MILLIONS in already once stolen artwork and gold.  Not to mention another hundreds of millions in small trinkets, including ashtrays, flatware, silverware, flags and clothing.  Some of which my grandfather brought home and my view represent a great (in this case great does not equal good) period in history.

At any rate, I have no problem (as if I have any say in the first place) with letting the Iraqi's take what they can carry from government buildings and offices.  I hope they target only governmental property and saw images of store owners taking up arms to defend themselves should looters come their way.  I hope this goes well.  It's a good new start for the Iraqi's and I for one am excited for them because in the images on TV, I see the way the U.S. was back when the English were shown from our soil.  I don't expect the rest of the world to have any idea what the Iraqi's are going through, even many Americans.  Maybe it's my thinking, but the saying "Do on to others as you would want done to yourself" really hits home this time.  I feel as though we're helping another people grab the gift of freedom.  And, no, we cannot and should not think that we can give this gift, but only help someone realize it.  No matter what anyone says, especially dictitorial nations, I feel now and have always felt that we are doing the right thing.  No amount of world press could convince me otherwise.

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2003, 05:42:51 PM »
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Its what happens when you "free" a country , and the people of that country had no hand in it. It leaves a leadership void, and if we dont take control fast i worry about the different groups of iraq fighting each other to break apart the country like yugoslavia.


I'm with Frog on this one. I doubt very much that this would have occurred if the Iraqi people had the balls to fight for their own liberation.
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2003, 05:49:09 PM »
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At any rate, I have no problem (as if I have any say in the first place) with letting the Iraqi's take what they can carry from government buildings and offices. I hope they target only governmental property and saw images of store owners taking up arms to defend themselves should looters come their way.


They are looting hospitals, shops and private homes. They are looting anything they can get into.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2003, 06:01:43 PM »
25 years of repression.. a society that honors only force..

had to happen.

we'll get involved soon enough in stopping it. right now, the mission is elimination of fedayeen and RG holdouts, locating our POWS and getting WMD assets and Regime elements identified and located.

time.

we need time.

we got quite a bit done in three weeks.. lets see what things look like three weeks from now. meantime; on with the mission.
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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2003, 06:20:09 PM »
25 years is no excuse for forgetting the first rule of civilization.

"Don't defecate where you eat."
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2003, 06:23:19 PM »
never strolled thru south central have yah?

these guys are rather civilized compared to what our own citizens have done to their parts of towns, sandy.
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2003, 06:26:15 PM »
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never strolled thru south central have yah?

these guys are rather civilized compared to what our own citizens have done to their parts of towns, sandy.


I have...

Mark me down as against looting. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2003, 06:31:07 PM »
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never strolled thru south central have yah?

these guys are rather civilized compared to what our own citizens have done to their parts of towns, sandy.


Stupidity is stupidity. It bridges all national and ethnic boundaries. I'm sure that just as there were people in South Central shouting "Stop! You fools!" there are the same in Iraq.
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2003, 06:54:55 PM »
do these people have jobs??
They are acting like a bunch of primates.
And to think our american and british soldiers died freeing these arse clowns.