Author Topic: Final Meals (Read 1759 times)

AKIron · « **Reply #30 on:** April 14, 2003, 11:57:08 AM »

If it was up to me they'd get bread and water right up to the time the switch was pulled. How many of 'em do you suppose granted their victims a last request?

Curval · « **Reply #31 on:** April 14, 2003, 12:02:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
To stop crime, you sometimes have to stop the elements that create crime, gambling,prostitution, drugs&alcohol. Here in Ma. we have a town called Melrose. It is a "dry town" (no packy in town).

Just what do they do for fun in Melrose? Just curious. Getting rid of crime is okay...but gambling, prostitution, drugs and alcohol? Is there anything left?

straffo · « **Reply #32 on:** April 14, 2003, 12:05:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Is there anything left?

Pedopohilia

Martlet · « **Reply #33 on:** April 14, 2003, 12:06:12 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Pedopohilia

spoken like a true frenchman

Sixpence · « **Reply #34 on:** April 14, 2003, 12:12:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Just what do they do for fun in Melrose? Just curious. Getting rid of crime is okay...but gambling, prostitution, drugs and alcohol? Is there anything left?

Peace, prosperity, and knowing your kids can play at the park and not find a used needle or condom on the bench.

BTW, even though the lottery is considered gambling, thats' not what I was talking about. Keno pretty popular too;)

rc51 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 14, 2003, 12:59:59 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
Clearly, all who eat hamburgers are murderers.

LOL

StSanta · « **Reply #36 on:** April 14, 2003, 01:16:35 PM »

Martlet, well worth noticing, aye. We have lots of bikes being stolen, breakins and so forth. I'd not categorize it as crimes that are that dangerous to me, unless I happen to be riding downhill when the bike is stolen from beneath me

However, it is not relevant for my question, which was oriented around violent crimes like serious assault or murder. I think it'd be hard to argue that the US isn't a violent society compared to some or even most other western societies. Perhaps the very traits that have made the USA great has a spinoff effect. Aggressiveness and a sense for adventure/daring go hand in hand, and the focus on the individual in the US might be part of the explanation.

Of course, if you need further evidence or empirical data illustrating the difference in numbers (crime rate) I can find some. Unfortunately it is much harder to find numbers for something as qualitative in nature as culture, but I can attempt to see what I can find.

I sense a certain defensiveness to your responses - as in 'better kick 'im/deflect before he hits me'. My intention isn't to kick but to spur discussion

. Perhaps I read you wrong yet in my dealings with Americans I've noticed this is a part of American culture - *always* be prepared to give an asswhooping, and never trust the other dude, coz he might be after yer horse, yer potato and yer six shooter

. So, if I've slighted you with that last bit I apologize. For now, that is, you Yankee Go Home boy

Martlet · « **Reply #37 on:** April 14, 2003, 01:22:50 PM »

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Originally posted by StSanta
Martlet, well worth noticing, aye. We have lots of bikes being stolen, breakins and so forth. I'd not categorize it as crimes that are that dangerous to me, unless I happen to be riding downhill when the bike is stolen from beneath me

However, it is not relevant for my question, which was oriented around violent crimes like serious assault or murder. I think it'd be hard to argue that the US isn't a violent society compared to some or even most other western societies. Perhaps the very traits that have made the USA great has a spinoff effect. Aggressiveness and a sense for adventure/daring go hand in hand, and the focus on the individual in the US might be part of the explanation.

Of course, if you need further evidence or empirical data illustrating the difference in numbers (crime rate) I can find some. Unfortunately it is much harder to find numbers for something as qualitative in nature as culture, but I can attempt to see what I can find.

I sense a certain defensiveness to your responses - as in 'better kick 'im/deflect before he hits me'. My intention isn't to kick but to spur discussion . Perhaps I read you wrong yet in my dealings with Americans I've noticed this is a part of American culture - *always* be prepared to give an asswhooping, and never trust the other dude, coz he might be after yer horse, yer potato and yer six shooter . So, if I've slighted you with that last bit I apologize. For now, that is, you Yankee Go Home boy

No, I don't think it is insulting at all.

While I agree that the US violent crime rate may be higher than other nations, I don't think it is way out of the ballpark.

Further, I'd bet if research was done, I'd bet the vast majority of those crimes are being committed by immigrants. There are several organizations complaining that death row (just as an example) has a higher percentage of minorities on it, and that means our justice system is biased. Others say that is because minorities commit more crimes.

If I have time later, I'll try to find some info on the subject.

I don't know if "always be ready to administer an bellybutton whooping" is American culture.

I've always been quick with my fists, though. When someone is being completely unreasonable, you always have the option of walking away. I've always preferred to kick the crap out of them first.

StSanta · « **Reply #38 on:** April 14, 2003, 02:47:06 PM »

That is entirely possible Martlet. So far however, I haven't seen it in the numbers however.

Immigrants or no immigrants, people residing within the US commit these high number of violent crimes. What is somehow sickeningly interesting however is the large number of serial killers and mass murderers. I cannot help but be intrigued by the phenomenon that results in such a high number of these people.

Father says it's 'lack of mental health care combined with a feeling of alienation and failure to reach The American Dream' Perhaps there is some to it. But other suggestions are certainly possible as explanations as well. And unless other are forthcoming, I shall take it on myself to post some

Martlet · « **Reply #39 on:** April 14, 2003, 03:14:12 PM »

knock yourself out. You seem to have the desire to post something. Either that, or your trolling.

I've yet to see any facts substantiating your claims, but that's become standard procedure on these boards anyway.

StSanta · « **Reply #40 on:** April 14, 2003, 03:44:06 PM »

Martlet, I don't know how i can substantiate my claims in other ways than showing you the statistics.

250% higher serious assaults Comparing, say, Finland (part of Scandinavia) murder rate at 0.70 and the US all time low at 7 and the US has ten time as much - 1000 percent.

It appears that right now we're disagreeing on whether the US is more violent than some or most other western societies. My (shallow) quick-n-dirty dig for numbers do substantiate my original claim and the impetus of the discussion was not so much whether this was a fact but rather why it is a fact.

Never mind.

Martlet · « **Reply #41 on:** April 14, 2003, 05:22:33 PM »

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Originally posted by StSanta
Martlet, I don't know how i can substantiate my claims in other ways than showing you the statistics.

250% higher serious assaults Comparing, say, Finland (part of Scandinavia) murder rate at 0.70 and the US all time low at 7 and the US has ten time as much - 1000 percent.

It appears that right now we're disagreeing on whether the US is more violent than some or most other western societies. My (shallow) quick-n-dirty dig for numbers do substantiate my original claim and the impetus of the discussion was not so much whether this was a fact but rather why it is a fact.

Never mind.

Ahhh, yes, you compare the US to Finland, then declare yourself correct. That doesn't prove your original case, or even touch upon your claim that US leads the way in mass and serial murders.

You've made up my mind, anyway. I see this was just flame bait and trolling, so I'll depart now.

StSanta · « **Reply #42 on:** April 14, 2003, 05:56:13 PM »

Martlet, I haven't made up my mind about anything. And i fail to see your point - again you're defensive. I said 'Scandinavian countries', did I not? Finland is part of Scandinavia. Take the average of Scandinavia and you still have around 230% higher rates in the US.

The reason I say 'never mind' is because there's such contention about established facts, along with you saying that I do not provide references, despite me having them in the post you reply to. This has lead me to believe that you either haven't read my reply with the attention and open mindedness needed for a healthy, fun discussion or that you've dug in and now is defending your ditch, wherever it may be located.

So, in the interest of remaining civil and parting if not friends then at least with mutual respect, I think we'd just call it quits here. of course I'd be more than willing to debate it if it was in a discussion friendly environment, but experience has lead me to understand that if the premise of a discussion cannot be agreed upon, then little good will come out of the whole deal.

I I troll, I make it one-posters. There's no need to distrust me to such a degree. While I as you have had lots of experiences with people who troll or yank yer chain just for a response, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.

I'll go through some literature to find more references. Trolls usually are first a reference followed by an inflaming comment that totally misinterprets the original information. But does so in a way that possibly maybe can be construed as being logical. Will try to avoid that. Other than that, if we fail to agree on the premise of the discussion, it is wiser to let the topic rest.

Creamo · « **Reply #43 on:** April 14, 2003, 06:18:20 PM »

Easy. I'd have 5 Irish Car Bombs like Bully's makes.

I'd laugh all the way to the execution.

Try one sometime, you'll understand.

UserName · « **Reply #44 on:** April 14, 2003, 07:09:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Creamo
Easy. I'd have 5 Irish Car Bombs like Bully's makes.

I'd laugh all the way to the execution.

Try one sometime, you'll understand.

Alcohol and tobacco are prohibited by TDCJ policy.

You could always ask for a couple litres of mouthwash to drink. Sure, it contains poisonous denatured alcohol, but it would sufficiently elevate your blood alcohol level to cause you to spontaneously combust when they fry you.