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Offline beet1e

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« on: April 13, 2003, 04:49:29 PM »
Shawk!  You wanted to see the films I recorded, in which you died. I’m afraid the F6F one did not get saved for some reason. But never mind. The 109G10 v 190D9 was an excellent fite. It did kind of go on a bit, but no way was I going to climb up into a fite, especially as the whole debacle began with you enjoying an alt advantage greater than 4K. But your rope-a-dopes were well executed.

How did this get started? Well folks, Shawk didn’t like being shot by my F6F earlier as I attempted to defend V45, and admittedly shawk had dealt me a mortal blow, but he died first. I also got a few of his friends, and they were a bit pissed off. One of them had lawn darted as he attempted to bomb my Ostwind! :rolleyes: Then I nobbled Shawks Goon!  Shawk should have had his engine volume turned down. That way he would have HEARD me creeping up on him – LOL.

So then the egos start swelling up, and Shawk grabs a few friends – Hornet, kamori and JinX, and as far as I can tell, judging by the commentary they make during the fight, they’re all aboard shawk’s 190 as observers!  What happened, shawk?  Bet you told them you were going to whip some limey arse. Hehe, didn’t quite work out that way, did it, me old china. :) (China = china plate – cockney rhyming slang for mate) So now the pressure is on shawk. He HAS to deliver a result, or look a wuss in front of his friends. I, on the other hand, can bide my time. :D

Let’s examine the engagement. You had: A faster plane, a more manoeuvrable plane, and began in my 6 with a 4K alt advantage. You had all those cards, and you still blew it. I had: a good climbing plane, was near home base and had some ack protection. Plus I had something that Shawk finally lost – patience. Note – two PNZRs at the field progressively destroyed the ack, and this was pointed out in the text buffer by one of Shawk’s passengers, so I can’t be accused of relying on ack cover, especially in the latter stages.


  • 00:01 Shawk shows up, with a 4-5K alt advantage.
  • I almost go for one of shawk’s ropes, but quickly realise the danger!
  • 11:18 Shawk begins to lose his alt. advantage, and I try to get a little closer to his plane. I tried for a shot, but too much distance between us, but finally I manage to get on Shawk’s 6.
  • 12:02 I land some hits on Shawk as he reverses on to me. Was this an attempted HO, I wonder... Lost control of the 109 for a moment.
  • 12:40 Shawk has started to throw away his E. Now I am faster – can I catch him?
  • It looked good, but turns out that Shawk had reversed for another HO attempt!
  • 14:00 oops, I misjudge his speed, and as I try to evade, he lands a few hits on me!
  • 14:07 Desperate to get closer, I reverse on to Shawk, knowing that he will also reverse, and maybe attempt another HO. I complete my reversal, and then use the climbing ability of the 109G10 to get closer to Shawk. He has not finished his reversal as he attempts to conserve E, and never gets guns solution on me. I dish out the killer blow, which has Shawk’s plane separate into multiple pieces. But as he falls to earth, Docc nails him with the field gun. Shawk accuses Docc of an HO – but there are no other planes around - LOL! Docc exits the position, and his three kill credits are awarded. I would love to have got the credit for that kill, but it was worth letting Docc nail Shawk just to see Shawk accuse him of an HO – from a field gun – ROFL!!!! Looking at the way shawk flies, you’d think he’d know what an HO looks like! LOL
A great 15 minutes of fun. I loved the way your friends tried to barrack me in the text buffer, hoping to rob me of concentration. Didn’t think you’d need that kind of help. ;) Shawk, with a little more practice (15 mins/day for the next week) you could become a good Dora pilot. :) Carry on like that, and you could be great! But just remember the patience thing!

So, until next time, take care, and...

Toodle-Pip!  :D:D:D:D

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Long version of film - the entire engagement.

Short version - begins where Shawk gets hits on me but fails to finish job, and shows end game - and death of shawk.

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2003, 05:30:42 PM »
1. the links dont work.
2. no need to gloat.
3. a dora which chooses to fight is one of the easiest kills. it's solely built for boring it's victim to death and then running (while doing the silly floppy dance). only a handful of guys around the MA can actually fight in them (I said FIGHT, not cherry pick). You want a fight? fight an A5.
4. the G10 is faster almost at any altitude
(exept on the deck).

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2003, 06:03:31 PM »
.......and you've had too much to drink..
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2003, 06:16:06 PM »
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Originally posted by bozon
1. the links dont work.
2. no need to gloat.
3. a dora which chooses to fight is one of the easiest kills. it's solely built for boring it's victim to death and then running (while doing the silly floppy dance). only a handful of guys around the MA can actually fight in them (I said FIGHT, not cherry pick). You want a fight? fight an A5.
4. the G10 is faster almost at any altitude
(exept on the deck).

Bozon
LOL, well said.

Preach it brother bozon! :D
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2003, 06:24:35 PM »
The nice thing about Beet1e being in here and gloating, is that he's not in the MA arena terrorizing us with all of his online ability. I personally feel safer knowing that after every kill, he comes in here to brag and pat his back leaving me a short time to log in and fly in relative safety.

Keep it up Beet1e, people like you frighten me.

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2003, 07:01:57 PM »
Good on you Scramble :)

Beetle tellen it as it is :)

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2003, 07:08:03 PM »
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The nice thing about Beet1e being in here and gloating, is that he's not in the MA arena terrorizing us with all of his online ability. I personally feel safer knowing that after every kill, he comes in here to brag and pat his back leaving me a short time to log in and fly in relative safety.

Keep it up Beet1e, people like you frighten me.



I'm actually surprised that beet1e had the cajones to actually engage in a fight all by himself.  


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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2003, 07:12:02 PM »
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Originally posted by bozon
1. the links dont work.
2. no need to gloat.
3. a dora which chooses to fight is one of the easiest kills. it's solely built for boring it's victim to death and then running (while doing the silly floppy dance). only a handful of guys around the MA can actually fight in them (I said FIGHT, not cherry pick). You want a fight? fight an A5.
4. the G10 is faster almost at any altitude
(exept on the deck).

Bozon
ROFL...

Now, let's see. [list=1]
  • The links DO work. I checked before posting. You have to save the files, then unzip 'em, and THEN view with the AH film viewer.
  • Gloat?  I explicitly stated in the title that this thread was for shawk & friends. Guess he has more friends than I thought! - I meant the ones he was flying with this afternoon. Shawk wanted the films, but I don't have his email address, so posted here. And hey - I was having to put up with all sorts of barracking from those guys - why should I not barrack them?
  • I agree - the A5 is my favourite 190 - climbs best out of all of 'em too - check AH performance data.
  • You're wrong. I did my own performance test with the 109G10 and the 190D9. Up to 10K with WEP, 190D9 had the VSI hard over at 4K/minute! I thought the G10 was supposed to be the fastest climber. At 10K after 4 minutes, the 190D9 was crusing at just over 400mph. The G10 never made it above 380 or maybe 385. However, I did have gondolas on this flight. In each case, I used 50% fuel. Can't be arsed to repeat the 109 test without gondolas. It is enough to know that the Dora was faster than my 109 in this fight. But I knew that already. :D
Nopoop! Too much to drink? Naaah. Two glasses of wine, Barbera D'Alba from Italy. Of course, I realise that's considered a skinful on your side of the pond - LOL!  But don't worry. I have the body mass to deal with it!

And so to bed. I need to sleep off those two glasses of wine I had. LOL ;)

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2003, 07:15:28 PM »
One thing you need to learn is that people like a gracious winner.  Thats why everyone loves Drex and a lot of people think I'm a salamander.

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2003, 08:51:22 PM »
actually I was on the other side of the map but keep yapping little doggy, I'm sure your la7 death squads will be along shortly to rain on your parade :)
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2003, 09:30:52 PM »
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One thing you need to learn is that people like a gracious winner.  Thats why everyone loves Drex


Good point Urchin. Blowing one's own horn requires having to pucker...and blow.

Good job Beet1e, you have the blowing part down quite well..
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2003, 10:16:41 PM »
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One thing you need to learn is that people like a gracious winner.  Thats why everyone loves Drex and a lot of people think I'm a salamander.
LOL! I can relate to that :D


Ok, I just watched that film. You're gloating because of THAT?!?!?! SHawk was being very timid, but he was also in a timidly-oriented plane. And you... you kept making a purely defensive break, basically forceing his hand and making him zoom up again. Maybe it's not a purely defensive break, but it is against anyone with half a brain.

I really don't see why you're gloating about making spit S's until he gets bored, and then taking several HO potshots with a G10 carrying gondies. It really makes no sense to me. That wasn't a fight... it much more closely resembled a staring contest than a fight. In fact, I found that "fight" so boring and tedious that I had to watch most of it in fast forward.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2003, 10:19:29 PM by wetrat »
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2003, 10:18:04 PM »
Oh, and I forgot to mention... since when does the dora turn better than a G10? Even when carrying gondies (not very bright) the G10 out turns a dora.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2003, 01:43:07 AM »
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One thing you need to learn is that people like a gracious winner.  Thats why everyone loves Drex and a lot of people think I'm a salamander.


There is one other difference, Urchin. :)

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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2003, 03:46:44 AM »
Urchin - don't put yourself down!  You are one of the good guys - a helpful one. I still have your notes about G10 v. various other aircraft printed out on my desk here.

Hornet - never did see the LA7 death squads.

Wetrat. Thanks for confirming that the links DO work. <:p bozon!>
No, not a gloat. I thought I made that clear. I also thought I had made clear that I am not a very strong 109 pilot, hence threads like the one about needing help from the 109Gx Experten. In this "fight", there was no way for me to get close to Shawk - except on his terms. He kept the vertical distance quite well. The point was that here we had a guy who had set out to nail me, and taunted me from the start (TRAK shoes remark). Sure, if a guy whacks me and it was a gentlemanly fight, the first thing I'll do is type name. Happened last night with Wilbus. But if someone is going to taunt me and show off in front of his friends, then he deserves a bit of ribbing when it all goes pear shaped.

Yeah, course it was boring. That's why I uploaded the short version. Do please advise me how I could have handled it better. You know how I'm always looking for tips on how better to fly the 109Gx. :D

Does the G10 out turn the Dora? Or is that more BS like the G10 "is faster" than the Dora - disproven by my own tests. I'm surprised at the negative remarks about the Dora here. I think it's an outstanding plane, and can sometimes do well in it.

Anyway, wetrat. Didn't you say something about leaving soon? Please stay. I like people who take me to task on this BBS, and AH is better with you in it. :)