HO dweebs

[acepilot2]

I know a ton of people are going to disagree with me, but HO dweebs really need to learn how to fight.  AH is not much fun anymore.  Dogfights are non-existent.   Everyone is an HO dweeb.  I keep either getting shot down or shooting down HO dweebs.  There is no fun in it.  What happened to the exciting rush of dogfighting, twisting and turning around, trying to throw off you enemy?   Now its all HOs.  Please, go to the TA and learn how to fight realisticaly...or the fighter part of AH will collapse.

[gofaster]

You're probably fighting the speed burners, like P-51s, LA-7s, FW-190s, F4Us, P-47s, and Me-110s, right?

All you can do is avoid the HO and then try to get a few hits in as they go on by.

[acepilot2]

I am fighting all kinds of planes.  Most of the time i try and turn sharply to avoid them.  The thing that gets me though is when they make me think that their dogfighting.  I may be on their six, and they will be doing all sorts of rolls and loops when they suddenly turn around and fire at me before i can react.  This happens commonly to me when the enemy plane is doing a loop.

[myelo]

Originally posted by acepilot2
The thing that gets me though is when they make me think that their dogfighting.  I may be on their six, and they will be doing all sorts of rolls and loops when they suddenly turn around and fire at me before i can react.  

Let me get this straight. So you're on their 6. And they start evading? They maneuver into a position to shoot at you? And they actually start shooting?

You're right... that is dogfighting  

[BigGun]

If I am turning with someone & there plane crosses guns, I am pulling trigger, which ever angle it is.

So, those HO dweebs you shoot down, is that shooting them down HO, if so you are one too.

[Kweassa]

It always takes two to HO.

 HO should always expected from the enemy, just like everything else, as there is no such excuse as "I thought he'd fight honorably and not engage in a HO". This game does not simulate a sports competition. It simulates war machines and their clashes.

 In the air, anything goes(except exploits and cheats which is something outside the boundaries of things which can be accepted) - there's no such thing as 'honor' in tactical decisions.

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 If you see a Ho coming, avoid it. There's no such thing as 'unavoidable HO'. Nobody put a gun against your head and demanded you point your plane's nose against his nose.

 If you are forced into a situation where you are exposed to the other guy's guns head-on,  it just means you didn't take the adequate steps to prevent from something like that happening in the first place. Your mistake, no one else to blame.

 Besides, most HOs are easily avoided. An effective HO is very rare unless both opponents are serious about landing a shot in such a situation(in other words - suicidal). If somebody actually puts in a lethal shot against a plane moving away from a HO, with such high closure rate and short time to react, by every right he earned that kill.

[Curval]

The best way to avoid a HO is first and foremost NOT trying to make a shot yourself.  Assume the guy is trying for a HO, forget about trying yourself, and barrel roll when he is just under 1 k out.   When you come out of the barrel roll yank hard on the stick and loop over the top (if you have enogh speed).  If he is a HO dweeb and has no idea how to fight he is yours, particularly if he tries a horizontal turn to get back around on you.  If he is an experienced fighter pilot then you still have work to do...and it may involve avoiding a few more HOs...but at least you have a fight on your hands, which is what you are after in the first place.

[SlapShot]

gofaster : You're probably fighting the speed burners, like P-51s, LA-7s, FW-190s, F4Us, P-47s, and Me-110s, right?

acepilot2 : I am fighting all kinds of planes.

Nice try gofaster ... Your bait wasn't smelly enuff ...

[Saintaw]

The plane being small with that huge icon over it can be deceptive at time. You think he's still going away, but instead that *&^%*^% P38 (AKAK) already turned his nose back on you... Surpriiise! ping ping ping boom.

That's not a HO, that's called being caught with yer pants down.

Do not mistake frnt quater shots from HO's, and don't forget it doesn't always look the same on both FEs. Like Kwess said, most of them can be avoided and used at your advantage.

What I do despise is when you have a gang above you, and they all start taking turns comming for your face.

[AKIron]

Only thing worse than an HO dweeb (of which I am occasionally a proud member) is an HO dweeb whiner. Suck it up.

[wetrat]

I give this a 9.5 on the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHom etre.

[CMC Airboss]

Originally posted by acepilot2
Now its all HOs.  Please, go to the TA and learn how to fight realisticaly...or the fighter part of AH will collapse.

What do you mean by "fight realisticaly" ?  We all have to assume that you are referring to the overwhelming number of kills that were obtained by an unseen enemy.  I've seen quotes from 70-80% of the kills were from an undetected aircraft.  In such cases, there were no evasive maneuvers.  

Most pilots that have experienced combat would agree that the easiest airplane to detect is one that is right in front and coming at you.  Those types of encounters were the most likely to lead to a turn fight.   Most of these pilots would also go to great lengths to avoid turn fights because you are much more likely to be picked off by an unseen enemy while tracking another target.

MiG

[SunKing]

It takes 2 to HO. If you get suckered in you are as easy to blame.

[ccvi]

Originally posted by CMC Airboss What do you mean by "fight realisticaly" ?  We all have to assume that you are referring to the overwhelming number of kills that were obtained by an unseen enemy.  I've seen quotes from 70-80% of the kills were from an undetected aircraft.  In such cases, there were no evasive maneuvers.

Correct. The icons need to go away completely.

Most pilots that have experienced combat would agree that the easiest airplane to detect is one that is right in front and coming at you.

What makes you believe that? Those that do are probably dead. If it's coming at you from 12 o'clock closure rate is at it's maximum, thus least time to spot it. High 12 (against the blue sky not the ground, unless it's reflecting sunlight) at 90 degrees is best.

[wetrat]

If we get rid of the icons, the depth perception of the game needs to be fixed. At the moment it's terrible without icons (I've tried dueling without them on).