Author Topic: New Allied Planes (Read 1045 times)

Bullethead · « **on:** April 14, 2003, 09:43:58 PM »

As long as we've got another thread for more Japanese rides, how about giving them some more competition?

B25D Strafer
Any subtype would do, but my favorite is the D-2 with the J-type waist guns and the field mod tail position. I'd rather have the D than the J in any case.

P38F or G
More compatible with early-mid-war Japanese planes than the L model we have.

P51A and A36
Gotta have an Allison-engined version of the Stang, and the divebomber version would be nice as well.

SB2C
Simply a must-have given its dominance later in the war.

P39/P400/P63
Besides being important in the PTO, they're needed in Russia.

C46
A perked transport that can carry like a double load of troops or supplies, or 1 of each.

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** April 15, 2003, 12:04:55 AM »

The US aircraft I'd like to see are:

B-17E
Brewster B-239
F6F-3
B-25C
P-38F
P-39D
P-39Q

I assure you that the Japanese already have plenty of competition from the US.

brady · « **Reply #2 on:** April 15, 2003, 12:32:24 AM »

The US is the most represented of all the countries and their plan set is not in any real nead of fleshing out, other than a few early war varients and perhaps some things to fill out the plane set for the new ToD theater I dont see any nead to add anything else at present.

An early P38,B26, or a B17D would be nice the P39 would be a magor slap in face at present to many underrepresented countries, we have Several Alleid Medieum Buff's so doing a b25 would be a Hug slap in the face for Russia, Japan, and Italy, and the Helldiver was such a Huge POS the Brits would not even use it, and the navy hated it, adding it would realy be a slap in the Face.

Howeaver a Brewster would be cool.

The Only thing the Russians nead are more Russian Planes, not US planes.

Puke · « **Reply #3 on:** April 15, 2003, 12:46:46 AM »

F8U Crusader or F-4B Phantom II.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:19:58 AM »

brady,

I understand that the P-39 is at the top of the CMs request list.

Not that the CMs decide what gets added. Pyro does that.

brady · « **Reply #5 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:50:47 AM »

Ya I know karnak, their ethnocentric.

Hopefully they will not get what they want, but their is a bright side if they do, soon all the US stuff will be modeled and they can then work on the other countries. Funny thing is you would think the CM's would want more planes to fight the over abundance of US planes they have aganst.

Arlo · « **Reply #6 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:05:04 AM »

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A P-39 and it's variants would be probably more beneficial to the Russian planeset as far as scenarios go.

I, of course, would like to see the PAC setting getting more attention than it currently does in AH. It is completely due to selfish motivation. Currently, the only agreed upon "acceptable" pac setting is the `42 Slot which revolves around the F4F-A6M2 matchup. While this is fun in itself (when unporked ... and, in some instances, unfixed) I'd love to see a setting that features later planes for all sides.

Granted, my personal desire is to see the F4U-1 (I'm not really into it's later variants) have at least a semi-regular showing in the PAC CT ... but for the setup to be fun and challenging for both sides, there needs to be more to select from in the IJ planeset. The more selections there, the more it frees up the Allied use of planes already modeled (or at least the fewer excuses not to allow their inclusion in a PAC CT map). * I DO, however, think there can be some creative (and workable/acceptable) aircraft skinned for substitutions until that time.[/i]

I'm all for the addition of Italian aircraft, as well. From a European/Med CT setting I can see great benefit from modeling just two or three additional Italian planes (fighter and/or bomber).

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Which is a long winded way of saying .... as much as I'd like to see a couple of B-25 variants or the older Helldiver added("Helldiver!" What a great name! But what a lousy airplane! - http://www.acepilots.com/planes/helldiver.html), I think the US planeset, Pac and European, can stand on it's own 2 legs quite fine while the anorexic planesets of it's Japanese and Italian opponents need a serious infusion.

brady · « **Reply #7 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:37:28 AM »

The over all contrabution of the P39 in russia was all in all a small percentage of the total fighter Strength of the Soviet Union, Presently We have No Soviet Fighter varent in AH that was Actualy in the Skies over Stalengrad, all of them are later models, even the Yak-9t was not in service in Stalengrad, In fact we have more Lendlease aircraft for Russia than we do indeginious plane type's if looked at in total, Frankely I would realy like to see more Soviet planes than are reskied P39 on a Soviet Front map.

While I can certainly understand liking a plane and wanting it for that reasion, I cant get behind it being added simply Because it is US.

Arlo · « **Reply #8 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:40:50 AM »

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Originally posted by brady
The over all contrabution of the P39 in russia was all in all a small percentage of the total fighter Strength of the Soviet Union, Presently We have No Soviet Fighter varent in AH that was Actualy in the Skies over Stalengrad, all of them are later models, even the Yak-9t was not in service in Stalengrad, In fact we have more Lendlease aircraft for Russia than we do indeginious plane type's if looked at in total, Frankely I would realy like to see more Soviet planes than are reskied P39 on a Soviet Front map.

While I can certainly understand liking a plane and wanting it for that reasion, I cant get behind it being added simply Because it is US.

There are 15 or so other lines to that post and it was barely an aside.

Tilt · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2003, 04:42:18 AM »

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Originally posted by brady
The over all contrabution of the P39 in russia was all in all a small percentage

"Small" is not the quantifier I would have used.............

The P39 contribution was significant to the VVS, however the general point is made IMO......... Yak 9 D's and late Yak 7's would be simple additions using the same air frame and a Yak 1 would be welcome.

We could go on to wish for Laggs, Mig 3's La5's etc but the two major VVS only frames I would ask for would be the Pe2 and the I-16 bis.

The P39 has scenario applications in the Med as well as in Russia.

Hence my new VVS frame set would be P39, I-16 bis, Pe2 with extension of the Yak set back to the late Yak 1 & earlier Yak 9D.

brady · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2003, 05:30:06 AM »

Well some 5 thousand P39's went to Russia, Compared to Russia's aprox. 80,000 Fighter's( only the main types) produced indiginiously I think thats like 1/17th thats kinda small, compared to the total amount if you include them.

Yes It could be included in many theaters for events and for the CT, but my main point is we already have seveal Allied types to face off aganst in most cases just a few Axis types so adding another American airplane instead of a Japanese one, Russian , Italian, French ect is going to hurt more than help in most set up's.

In a perfect world ya it would be great to get them all at once, I just dont think asking right now for another US fighter is realy a great idea, and frankely I was very disturbed to see it on the Top of a wish list from the CM's. With Huge gaping wholes in most countrys planeset's and magor balance isues in a lot of set up areas, it certainly would not of been my first choice.

I am all for the I16, I think I would rather see a TU-2 though.

udet · « **Reply #11 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:56:37 AM »

hazed- · « **Reply #12 on:** April 15, 2003, 11:32:42 AM »

Wellington bomber

fairey swordfish

frank3 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 15, 2003, 11:36:19 AM »

well, I assume we all agree we need more planes!
I like all the ones y'all have named, especially the Helldiver, P39/400 Cobra and Mitchell!

AaronGT · « **Reply #14 on:** April 15, 2003, 11:55:24 AM »

The USA set is well represented, as has been noted.

Perhaps a Pe 2 or 3 and IL4 would
be nice additions for the USSR,
along with the Mig-3 and I-16,
Yak1.

The RAF is well represented in
terms of fighters, but perhaps
the Mosquito IV would be nice,
and perhaps the Wellington, as
an early war bomber, and maybe
a Blenheim for the masochists?
Mustang I and IA might also be
interesting.

Germany could do with an He111, He177,
and perhaps an He219, and Hs129
would be nice. Also perhaps an
Me323 as a super transport.