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Offline Hristo

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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2003, 01:12:21 AM »
Aren't you still obliged to serve in Croatian army ? You had plenty of time in 1990s.

If you chose not to, fine, but at least have some respect for ones who did. Don't patronize to us who were there with arms in hands in early 1990s. We may have a better reason for not liking wars.

You are falling into a dogma that anti-Bush is anti-American.

And if you realy like parallels, I'll give you one. US behavior reminds me of Serb behavior, not the other way around.

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2003, 01:17:57 AM »
Right the usa is setting up death camps and razing vukovar and
executing all patients in the hospital, then the USA is going to kill 8,000 civilans in srebrenica.

Dont you realize how outrageous your cxomparsion is?


And tell me:

Was the USA evil when we bombed serbian positions around srajevo.

Was the USA evil when we bombed serbian death squads in Kosovo.

Was the usa evil in helping us plan and carry out the 1995 offensive?

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Grunherz.. Dont waste your breath on Hristo
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2003, 02:08:31 AM »
Hristo's.. just a dumb phuck.



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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2003, 02:36:40 AM »
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Right the usa is setting up death camps and razing vukovar and
executing all patients in the hospital, then the USA is going to kill 8,000 civilans in srebrenica.

Dont you realize how outrageous your cxomparsion is?


And tell me:

Was the USA evil when we bombed serbian positions around srajevo.

Was the USA evil when we bombed serbian death squads in Kosovo.

Was the usa evil in helping us plan and carry out the 1995 offensive?


US did some good things. No doubt about it.

Aggression on Iraq is not one of them, though. Only good thing it brought was removal of a dictator.

I didn't know you bombed Serbian positions, Grunherz. I thought you were just an armchair general.

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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2003, 02:43:03 AM »
By we I mean Americans.  By us I mean Croatians. Dont be smart bellybutton you know what I was saying.


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Only good thing it brought was removal of a dictator.


You make that seem so trivial - the evil dictator was the problem for everyone. Its like saying all a pre ww2 attack on germany would have done was to remove a dictator.

Why isnt the iraq war a good thing?

Arent some 25,000,000 people now free from one of the most the most brutal dictarorships of all time? Arent they free from a ruler who put his needs for wmd ahead of the lives of 1,000,000 of his citizens who starved or died due to UN sanctions? Arent thet free from a ruler who put his palaces ahead of food for his people? Arent they free from a ruler who  spend UN oil for FOOD money on his army?

Tell me Hristo is the average iraqi better off under saddam hussein (the way ant it to be)  or better off working to build democracy and freedom for himself and his children for the future (the way i want it to be)?

And how is this any different then when clinto attacked kosovo without UN approval and basically finished milisevic as a dictators.

Oh yea maybe you dont really care thats its the same, you only hate Bush no matter what he does..
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2003, 04:17:44 AM »
The media goal of this war shifted very easily.

Remember how it started ? UN resolution, WMDs here, WMDs there. Now that no WMDs are found, it is oppressed people liberated all of the sudden.

However, the real agenda was always the same. Oil.

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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2003, 04:21:27 AM »
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The media goal of this war shifted very easily.

Remember how it started ? UN resolution, WMDs here, WMDs there. Now that no WMDs are found, it is oppressed people liberated all of the sudden.

However, the real agenda was always the same. Oil.


Actually, it never changed at all.

The entire premise of the war was failure to comply with 1441.

Liberation is just a great side effect, and makes far better news.

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2003, 05:39:35 AM »
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Actually, it never changed at all.

The entire premise of the war was failure to comply with 1441.

Liberation is just a great side effect, and makes far better news.


That's fine.

Now, after the job is done, it might be in order to do a few decent things - appologize to families of killed civilians and get out of there. Leave Iraq to its people.

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2003, 05:47:28 AM »
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That's fine.

Now, after the job is done, it might be in order to do a few decent things - appologize to families of killed civilians and get out of there. Leave Iraq to its people.


hmm -  you think we are/will do otherwise?

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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2003, 05:49:38 AM »
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That's fine.

Now, after the job is done, it might be in order to do a few decent things - appologize to families of killed civilians and get out of there. Leave Iraq to its people.


actually, we've done one, and as soon as a gov't is established, we'll do the other.

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2003, 06:50:57 AM »
Too bad there isn't a secular alternative to the prayerbook.

I'll think of them, and their families. Best a non theist can do, given the absence of an alternative on the site.

to those who risk their lives for a good cause.

I salute the soldiers for fighting valiantly, and for dying for their country. However, questions still are unanswered about the purpose of the war - it was not to liberate Iraq, but to rid it of WMDs. If none are found, the war must be said to have been an illegitimate one.

While I find Hristo's posts a bit too strong in expression, the message is still one worth noticing; we celebrate and honour the dead coalition soldiers, but it is also worth noticing the huge impact this war has had on Iraqis - civilians and those forced to fight. Coalition losses are small compared to that of the Iraqi military and civilian population. I suspect at least a minority of Iraqi soldiers had the choice between fighting the Americans or getting a bullet in the back of their heads. So let us NOT forget the Iraqi people, even though it is really easy to do so.

In the end though, even if 'war for oil' or other seedy details is true, the fact remains that Saddam is gone and Iraq has a chance for democracy. Despite hidden agendas, despite loss of civilian life, there may very well be a democracy in Iraq in a few years. Terrible as the price has been for the Iraqi people themselves, in the long run it is worth it I think. And Saddam would within a year have killed more of his own than were killed during the war.
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2003, 07:33:05 AM »
Sometimes the Onion's humor can hit pretty close to the truth...

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ—Reflecting on his time as Iraq's president in a pre-taped television address, Saddam Hussein expressed pride Tuesday that, despite the success of the U.S. invasion and the civilian casualties it has inflicted, he still has killed far more Iraqis than President Bush.

"George Bush believes he is so powerful, so strong," Saddam said. "But even with all of his bombs and missiles and Marines, he has not even come close to killing as many Iraqis as I did."

While estimates of the number of Iraqi civilians killed by the U.S. ranges from 500 all the way to 10,000, Saddam and his associates are believed to have murdered somewhere between 100,000 and 250,000 civilians since 1968.

"The international press counts off on their fingers every Iraqi that dies by Bush's missiles," Saddam said. "The papers make a big story of it when six Iraqi civilians are killed by American GIs near Basra, or when 15 Iraqi civilians are killed in air strikes on Baghdad. What paltry death tolls. I cannot even begin to add up how many died in Basra upon my orders, how many in Baghdad I killed with my own gun."

Throughout his presidency, Saddam said he routinely had political opponents arrested and put to death without trial, sometimes along with their entire families. He also summarily executed countless citizens for crimes as minor as petty theft and "monopolizing rationed goods."

"The race between myself and Bush is not even close," Saddam said. "I easily killed 100 times more men than Bush, not to mention women and children. That's right—women and children."

In his suppression of the Shiite Muslims alone, Saddam said he can lay claim to thousands more Iraqi kills than Bush.

"My officers did more damage rounding up students at [the Shiite Muslim theological institution] al-Hawza al-'Ilmiya in al-Najaf than the entire American 3rd Infantry did roaring through all of southern Iraq in their billion-dollar tanks," Saddam said. "And my men did not put down their guns just because someone asked for mercy. They finished the job like soldiers. They did not serve food to their enemies as if they were women at a picnic."

Saddam boasted that the 1988 Anfal campaign against the Iraqi Kurds added another 50,000 to his tally.

"In Anfal, we rounded up the battle-age men and put them in front of firing squads," Saddam said. "Even today, when you travel through rural Kurdistan, you notice the high proportion of women. That is not because of the U.S. Army. That is not because of the 101st Airborne Division. It is because of me—Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq, the Glorious Leader, the Anointed One, Direct Descendant of the Prophet, Great Uncle to the People."

In his campaigns against the Kurds, Saddam crushed unrest with chemical-weapons strikes against civilian populations—a tactic he said Bush "would never have the nerve to do."

"I remember the day my cousin [Commander of Southern Forces] Ali [Hassan al-Majid] dropped chemical weapons on the town of Halabja," said Saddam, referring to the March 1988 slaughter of 5,000 Kurds. "That is how he got his nickname, 'Chemical Ali.' Much better nickname than 'Dubya,' wouldn't you say?"

"The total number of Kurds we killed could be as high as 110,000, and that is not just an idle boast," Saddam said. "The United Nations Sub-Committee on Human Rights has been keeping extensive records of my actions for years."

In fairness to Bush, Saddam conceded that he has had a significant head start killing Iraqis, beginning his political career in the late '60s as a torturer for the Ba'ath party.

"Back in 1969, I turned the execution of 14 alleged anti-government plotters into a major public event, hanging them in a town square and leaving their bodies on display," Saddam said. "Already everyone knew my name, and this was still a good 10 years before I would carry out the wave of executions that signaled my rise to power."

In addition to killings, Saddam said he bests Bush in the torture department.

"There is a certain type of torture, which is called al-Khaygania—so named in honor of its creator, former security director al-Khaygani—in which the victim is handcuffed and suspended on a piece of wood between two chairs like a chicken," Saddam said. "Then, we attach an electric wire to the man's noodle and toes. Can you see Bush doing this? Can you see Bush smashing a man's skull with a brick? Can you see him calling for the deaths of his own family members? Pah, he is too weak."

Saddam closed with harsh words for his American rival.

"I recently heard a critic of President Bush say he is a dictator," Saddam said. "That made me laugh. George Bush, a dictator! My sons Uday and Qusay showed more viciousness at 10 years of age."

"Bush has a long way to go before he can match me," Saddam added. "My hands are red with the blood of the innocent. His are merely a light pink."
 
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2003, 07:40:31 AM »
Update on story from yesterday, turns out this boy doesn't want sympathy (As Hristo has intentional stirred sympathy up) and is alittle disappointed in the Media:

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"He does not want sympathy. Speaking with fluent indignation, in his grimy ward in Chewader hospital, he demanded to know why numerous promises that he would be treated in the West had not been kept.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/15/wali15.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/04/15/ixnewstop.html

Well, he's being transferred as we speak to a Western hospital.
Hristo should be ashamed of himself for not only insulting families of those who lost loved ones, but insulting this boy himself.

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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2003, 09:25:52 AM »
Hiristo,

Maybe it was about oil.  I really don't care.  I do care when someone (you) disrespect the dead.  Any man that has ever served will tell you that they love thier country, for the most part, but they are fighting for the man on thier left or right.  Have you ever cared enough for someone that you would die for them?  

America is a warrior society, as long as we feel the fight is a just one we will jump in.  You can keep poking if you like, just keep in the back of your little mind that you might be next.

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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2003, 09:44:08 AM »
Can I be next too Concho?

Ever since the bloody Christians came and turned VIkings into uneducated stupid peasants to be opressed by even more mindless kings and queens, this country has gotten soft.

Now it is PC. Now it is party instead of plunder. Love instead of looting. Raves instead of rapes. And we haven't had any state-sponsored killing of French people/invasions of France in a long time.

Perhaps if the US invaded, we'd get back to our roots and stop being such sissies.

So in the interest of liberating us from our current sissiness, can the US please invade?

I'm sure I can find a gun or broadsword somewhere.