Author Topic: BORODA (or any russians out there) can you translate this for me? (Read 1332 times)

Ike 2K# · « **on:** April 16, 2003, 02:15:24 AM »

can you translate this for me? need to know what it says

Preon1 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 16, 2003, 05:48:42 AM »

Looks like a MiG-31 using an off-bore sighting missile. The diagram shows it killing an F-16 on its 6.

Sorry, I don't read Russian, but this technology definately exists.

Martlet · « **Reply #2 on:** April 16, 2003, 05:50:42 AM »

I can translate the title:

Wishful Thinking.

Spooky · « **Reply #3 on:** April 16, 2003, 07:19:22 AM »

Old news, Clint did this in Firefox back in the 80's!

plus, the firefox systems were controlled by electrodes in the pilot's helmet !

Wishful thinking at its best !

Russian · « **Reply #4 on:** April 16, 2003, 09:15:15 AM »

Its pretty much self explanertory(sp?). (No time to translate now)

Preon1 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2003, 09:29:26 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Aircraft used in test is either Su-27P or Su-30M

Taking another look at it... it does look like a flanker.

Boroda · « **Reply #6 on:** April 16, 2003, 09:53:51 AM »

A missile launched in backward direction

with combined aerodynamical/gas-dynamical controls.

A missile is being developed, based on R-73, for use on the fighter, bomber, transport and anti-submarine planes. Provides the protection of rear hemisphere. Launched in the direction opposite to the direction of flight.

Scheme: Trajectory of the "backward" start missile. From left to right: carrier, missile, target.

Next paragraph:

Missile provides the destruction of aerial targets in day and night time, in presence of natural and organized interference, against earth or water surface. No limitations for special launch conditions, works as "fire and forget" missile.

Technical parameters:

Launch mass: 115kg
Length: 3.2m
Diameter: 0.17m
Wingspan: 0.404m
Target altitude range: 0.05 - 13km
Range: 1-12km
Targeting (homing) method - passive infrared
Targeting angles: 60 degrees
Warhead mass: 7.4kg

Locks on target according to targeting information from rear-hemisphere onboard radar.

Special features:

Controlled flight with angle of attack 180-90 degrees at Vx<0 with gas-dynamical controls. Launches from rail.

Analogues not known.

Development status: experimental stage.

Launches performed from Su-27 at M<0 and M>0.

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #7 on:** April 16, 2003, 12:19:59 PM »

hmmmmmm, i saw the ASRAAM missile video being launched from the F/A-18 and it did could do the same as the experimental R-73 missile.

Boroda · « **Reply #8 on:** April 16, 2003, 01:02:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
hmmmmmm, i saw the ASRAAM missile video being launched from the F/A-18 and it did could do the same as the experimental R-73 missile.

Where did you get this leaflet? Looks like some advertisement from an airshow in early-90s. Or even some classified report for brass-hats from 80s. Language is extremely official (if I can use this words together

)

I don't follow news on modern jet aviation, but the only place where I saw a backward-fireing missile was Ocean's "F-22 Retaliator". BTW, was a beautiful game, I still have printed manual and mission descriptions somewhere.

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #9 on:** April 16, 2003, 03:09:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Where did you get this leaflet? Looks like some advertisement from an airshow in early-90s. Or even some classified report for brass-hats from 80s. Language is extremely official (if I can use this words together )

I don't follow news on modern jet aviation, but the only place where I saw a backward-fireing missile was Ocean's "F-22 Retaliator". BTW, was a beautiful game, I still have printed manual and mission descriptions somewhere.

can a normal R-73 (the one that is being used in MiG-29s and Su-27s) "Archer" fire and kill the target at the rear?

narsus · « **Reply #10 on:** April 16, 2003, 03:14:59 PM »

Can't the F-22 Raptor perform this now? I know the Russian's have had this "kind" of capabitlity for a while now.

Dinger · « **Reply #11 on:** April 16, 2003, 03:42:58 PM »

Didn't the MiG-35 "Firefox" carry these?

senna · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2003, 03:47:43 PM »

IMHO, rear firing missiles are not that difficult to develop if you think about it. I think the question or should we say answer is how each side resolved to develop its weapons systems based on forcasting its own threats during wartime or encounters with an enemy opfor (hehe, learned this new term from playing that AA game). Alls you got to do for rear firing missiles is have a missile pointing backwards, rear area radar cone that generates numbers for the computer, slave that info for initial data to the puter/system in the rear aspect missile (where to start and go I guess?), fire that sucker in at the bandit at your six. All this extra equipment takes weight though so in my opinion its really a question of, will our pilots need this in war time? I guess the Russions felt they did.

Ehem, just my own opinion, I have zero credentials in any real world air combat stuff. Closest I've been to a real mig is 1/2 a mile standing on the ground with my jaw wide open.

EDIT: Add to that the increase power output of modern day fighters in development and you got the potential to add some new powerfull capabilities to your energy fighters of today.

senna · « **Reply #13 on:** April 16, 2003, 03:55:16 PM »

Now that I think about it, even if the rear aspect capabilities of a fighter system sucked, it would probably make a bandit turn offset to his original path to avoid a hit from a missile. This would allow the rear aspect missile capable fighter to quickly reverse and fire a more or at least another equally accurate shot at the original shooter. Hopefully he doesnt have rear aspect capability as well. Im imagining this sort of fight and sort of laughing, lol.

senna · « **Reply #14 on:** April 16, 2003, 04:06:09 PM »

Need to add this bit of thought as well. In the encounter above, if its BVR I assume the bandits turn then unload and go mach speed or head for the hills or something. However if its a close range encounter then I guess the bandit might not turn opposite or at least too hard (save enegry for the break?) but would still sort of head towards the incoming missile then break at a given distance? I guess the above applies to BVR then.