P38 wingover

[JensK]

Hi!
I remember some time ago there was a discussion of how to
make the maneuver "wingover" with different planes. The only
plane that you could do it in was the P38, if I remember correctly.

Can someone help me and give instructions how to perform
than maneuver? Perhaps by filming?

Is there also another name for it?

tnx

[WldThing]

A wingover can be done in any plane, not just the P-38...The P-51 does it quite nicely.

[JensK]

Really?! I thought the flight model in AH made it impossible
to use that maneuver in all planes.

I have tried in the P38 to;
grab alt
extend flaps (when possible)
cut throttle (wait until speed reaches 50mph pointing straight up)
select enginge no1
engage throttle (that makes the plane turn around its own axis, sideways)
select both engines (when plane points almost downwards)
(flaps make it to tumble a little)
wep on
withdraw flaps


How can it be done in the P51 and for instance F6F?
If anyone could post me a film, i'd appreciate it a lot!

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by JensK
Really?! I thought the flight model in AH made it impossible
to use that maneuver in all planes.

I have tried in the P38 to;
grab alt
extend flaps (when possible)
cut throttle (wait until speed reaches 50mph pointing straight up)
select enginge no1
engage throttle (that makes the plane turn around its own axis, sideways)
select both engines (when plane points almost downwards)
(flaps make it to tumble a little)
wep on
withdraw flaps

You don't need to turn off an engine to to a hammerhead in the P-38, nor do you really have to deploy flaps either but you can deploy them if you want, doesn't hurt anything by doing it.

In the P-38 you can do a hammerhead by just using your rudders to help swing your nose over to which ever side you want.


Ack-Ack

[Ack-Ack]

Oh yea, forgot to add that if you do a search of this forum for a thread called "P-38 films,"  I posted a few films in there that show me doing some hammerheads during rope attempts.  Not sure which films they are but at least two of the films show the maneuver.


Ack-Ack

[WldThing]

Ill try to find a couple films where im doing a wingover...I personally think its a great maneuver and use it alot.

[gofaster]

I've done it in a P-51D, no flaps, just stick and rudder (although you can use 1 notch if you get really slow at the zenith, just to retain control and to avoid torquing into a stall).

A good set of rudder pedals is almost mandatory for this sort of maneuver.

[JensK]

Ok, tnx!

I'll start to work on it!

[wetrat]

Anything stable with good low-speed handling (and a rudder) can do a hammerhead.

[Batz]

a hammerhead isnt necessarily a wingover. You do pivot around your wing but thats not what usually is referred to as a "wingover".

Hammerheads in AH are too difficult to do properly. If you have Il2 its easy to see how to do one the right way.



In the image above the 190 goes verticle as you reach the top use left ailerons to stay level in the horizontal and slowly push right rudder. Its actually called a Hammerhead stall but you dont really stall you keep enough forward momentum to pivot around on your wing. The way the planes in ah react while in the verticle they dont want to "fall over". You loss all control imput and planes hang there and gently flop over. Try a tail slide to see what I mean. Fly straight up and see if you can tail slide back down.

A wing over is slightly different because you arent in a tight pivot. You actually fly over your wing. This can be a wide arc or a narrow one. You perform it the same way in that you would use left airlon (see image below) to stay level then use you rudder to fly through the arc. The difference is a wingover you keep enough speed to fly through the arc.



This manuver is easily done in ah. Hammerheads and Tail slides are not. If you have IL2 you see how hey are done.

[wetrat]

I usually just keep going up til my plane falls out of the sky anyway... The big rudders on the 109's let ya recover before you get back down to the guy you're roping anyway