Author Topic: Awaiting the disinformation explosion... (Read 2587 times)

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #105 on:** April 18, 2003, 12:24:57 PM »

You think anything is objective?

Anyone focusing on the legality of the war aside from those in power is doing so out of their own interests and because they already have a bias to one side or one issue.

Russia and France say the war was illegal, I wonder why?

Of course, when we see that Iraq was still non-compliant with the 16(I think) past resolutions and broke the cease-fire agreement, the war is legal.
-SW

Arfann · « **Reply #106 on:** April 18, 2003, 01:23:38 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
That is single most stupid thought I have ever seen put down in print...

Congrats Arfann!

Well, if you don't understand it, it's never too late for adult education. Assuming you're an adult. If not, then stay in school!

Arfann · « **Reply #107 on:** April 18, 2003, 01:29:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
You could find articles supporting both sides.

Yep, as long as there are those who want it to be legal there will be arguments (invented as necessary) to make it seem so. Anyway it's a moot point since it's never illegal for the winner and, believe it or not, our side is winning against this third rate military non-power. Go figure.

Smut · « **Reply #108 on:** April 18, 2003, 03:21:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Arfann
Try "pre-meditated" invasion of a sovereign state. Saddam was a tyrant. Iraq violated the terms of the cease fire. These are issues to be dealt with via the UN or other international court. Not unilaterally by Dubya, using the disaster of 9/11 to get the sheep to back him up and give him congressional authority.

I'm honestly surprised someone that seems as intelligent as you would fall back to this tired reasoning.

Twelve years of UN talk amounted to nothing. International court? LOL...another impotent idea. Saddam respected only force, and he was a gambler. He miscalculated US resolve in 1991 and had to be ejected in force from Kuwait. At that time the Iraqi government agree to terms which were promptly ignored once the threat of imminent force was removed. Post 9/11, only a timid fool would allow such an aggressive gambler to continue to defy the UN. 1441 is but the last resolution in a long string of ignored and useless paper from the UN dating back to 1990. "Inspections" resumed only under gunpoint, and it was clear Saddam was still playing the same game.

If you truly believe mere talk would have resolved things...then we must agree to disagree.

-Smut

Arfann · « **Reply #109 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:08:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Smut
I'm honestly surprised someone that seems as intelligent as you would fall back to this tired reasoning.

Twelve years of UN talk amounted to nothing. International court? LOL...another impotent idea. Saddam respected only force, and he was a gambler. He miscalculated US resolve in 1991 and had to be ejected in force from Kuwait. At that time the Iraqi government agree to terms which were promptly ignored once the threat of imminent force was removed. Post 9/11, only a timid fool would allow such an aggressive gambler to continue to defy the UN. 1441 is but the last resolution in a long string of ignored and useless paper from the UN dating back to 1990. "Inspections" resumed only under gunpoint, and it was clear Saddam was still playing the same game.

If you truly believe mere talk would have resolved things...then we must agree to disagree.

-Smut

Saddam was contained. He attacked noone but his own. That is not our problem or, if it is, there's lots of tyrants out there. Where do we start?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #110 on:** April 18, 2003, 05:15:26 PM »

Its funny how the USA hating anti war crowds wants us to attack everyone else but Saddam.

Arfann are you so dumb, and yes I think you are, to not have noticed the small fact that Iraq was required to do certain things in accordance with the 1991 cease fire agreement and that they have not done them - and so they have violated the cease fire and it was in our right to resume the war.

We went after iraq for many reasons, and it was a unique situation that the majority of Americans felt could best be resolved by military action. Our president tried as has hard as possible to enlist world support and did so with the unanimous UNSC vote on resoulution 1441 - it was not our fault that, when the matter was pressed, the french and russians turned tail and decided that saddam hussein was more important to their national intersests than the welfare of the iraqi people or the threat posed by his quest for WMD.

I know you are sad that another west hating 3rd world dictator is gone, I know it just kills you that so many iraqis are happy that we liberated them, I know it's confusing to you that the US troops are not machine-gunnning down scores of iraqi protestors opposed to our presence ( notice how they can now protest freely), I know that it kills you that the arabs did not revolt, I know that it kills you to see the USA be succesful, I know how deeply you hate the USA, I know, I know how much it must suck to be you right now.. Go ahead, end it all, squeeze one off and never, ever, feel the pain again...

Torque · « **Reply #111 on:** April 18, 2003, 06:58:08 PM »

This made me laugh.

Arfann · « **Reply #112 on:** April 18, 2003, 11:51:27 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Its funny how the USA hating anti war crowds wants us to attack everyone else but Saddam.

Arfann are you so dumb, and yes I think you are, to not have noticed the small fact that Iraq was required to do certain things in accordance with the 1991 cease fire agreement and that they have not done them - and so they have violated the cease fire and it was in our right to resume the war.

We went after iraq for many reasons, and it was a unique situation that the majority of Americans felt could best be resolved by military action. Our president tried as has hard as possible to enlist world support and did so with the unanimous UNSC vote on resoulution 1441 - it was not our fault that, when the matter was pressed, the french and russians turned tail and decided that saddam hussein was more important to their national intersests than the welfare of the iraqi people or the threat posed by his quest for WMD.

I know you are sad that another west hating 3rd world dictator is gone, I know it just kills you that so many iraqis are happy that we liberated them, I know it's confusing to you that the US troops are not machine-gunnning down scores of iraqi protestors opposed to our presence ( notice how they can now protest freely), I know that it kills you that the arabs did not revolt, I know that it kills you to see the USA be succesful, I know how deeply you hate the USA, I know, I know how much it must suck to be you right now.. Go ahead, end it all, squeeze one off and never, ever, feel the pain again...

Ah, the old personal attack mode, eh? Sorry to hear you're already out of ammo. Also sad to hear you've bought the whole line of crap out of the little weasel in the White House. The cease fire of '91 and resolution 1441 were specifically coalition/UN issues, to be handled by the UN. Do I love the UN? No. Do I think the UN is a paragon of effectiveness? No. Do I think the French and Russians have their own interests in mind? Yes. Do I think Dubya has used the 9/11 disaster to further his own agenda, bullying Congress and the US public into sending troops off to an illegal war completely outside any normal, righteous international standard of behavior? Yes. Nothing sad about a third world US hating dictator being gone, but it is sad that our method of eliminating him has created more hatred for us than you can even imagine. Hope you enjoy the Jihad you and yours are bringing to us.

Oh, and ending your message with more personal hatred tells me you are a natural for the Dubya Cheerleading Squad. You passed the audition. Now go back and memorize more Rush/Bush rubbage to spread around this board. I paid the price in SEA in 1967-71 to voice my opinion about the current state of affairs in spite of the vitriolic, hate filled spewage of you and yours. Thank you and good night.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #113 on:** April 19, 2003, 12:00:43 AM »

My apoloies arfann, I didnt realize just quite how evil bush is... And there was allready a huge jihad against america unless you noticed, Im sure you wish we just stand around doing nothing and see them murder thousands of americans...

Dowding · « **Reply #114 on:** April 19, 2003, 08:58:45 AM »

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You think anything is objective?

You're the one using his evaluation as a valid argument. If nothing is objective, then his opinion is worthless and so is anybody else's.

-tronski- · « **Reply #115 on:** April 19, 2003, 09:53:05 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
That's a pretty self-serving statement. I dunno about Britain, but here in the US folks feel pretty free to express their displeasure at the government, including many in elected government offices. Maybe you folks aren't allowed freedom of speech?

lol....oh wait you're actually serious?

Tronsky

Arfann · « **Reply #116 on:** April 19, 2003, 10:01:22 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
My apoloies arfann, I didnt realize just quite how evil bush is... And there was allready a huge jihad against america unless you noticed, Im sure you wish we just stand around doing nothing and see them murder thousands of americans...

Your apology is accepted.

Assuming the Jihad you refer to is the WTC disaster, that was carried out primarily by Saudis, led by a Saudi, based on religious radicalism. Saddam was (is?) a secular tyrant, who the religious folks detest (ed?). Our invasion of Iraq makes Saddam a martyr and makes us an even bigger devil/target in the Arab world than we were before.