Author Topic: Why did Christ Die? (Read 2050 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #60 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:32:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
Then you would no longer be omiscient.

omiscient means all knowing. If I know all your acts yet do not stand in your way or inhibit your acts.....I am still omiscient

NUKE · « **Reply #61 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:35:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
If it was in such a controlled environment that even under "free will" all choices were predetermined, I would laugh at you (but of course you would have known that).

If you relinquished enough control in this petri dish of yours to allow unknown factors to play (like free will), you would no longer be omniscient.

I hope I can repsond b4 you edit your post again.

Can you not understand the difference between knowing an outcome and pre-determining one?

Fatty · « **Reply #62 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:37:53 PM »

If you orchistrated the choices presented and how they were presented you did.

God did create the earth and everything on it, and wasn't he all knowning then too? That would include my genetic makeup and how the synapses fire when making my decisions.

These would have to have been known from creation, and done with this in mind.

Or, on the other hand, was it evolution?

NUKE · « **Reply #63 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:45:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
If you orchistrated the choices presented and how they were presented you did.

God did create the earth and everything on it, and wasn't he all knowning then too? That would include my genetic makeup and how the synapses fire when making my decisions.

These would have to have been known from creation, and done with this in mind.

Or, on the other hand, was it evolution?

If a choice orchistrated? ( you are saying controlled b.t.w.) then it is not a choice. You use poor logic.

Fatty · « **Reply #64 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:47:50 PM »

You almost have it Nuke.

NUKE · « **Reply #65 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:49:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
You almost have it Nuke.

have what?

You don't get it.

You have a free will......correct?

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #66 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:56:51 PM »

There was only one thing I really liked about the communist dictatorships..

All religions were banned.

They might have been poor, but at least they were saved from reading threads like this, grown up men arguing childishly about issues that can't really be argued about since they either don't exist or can't be proven.

Blows my mind, really.

Fatty · « **Reply #67 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:57:59 PM »

Well, there's the rub. I believe I do.

On the other hand, an unknown (or known) deity started life either in his image or even on a grander scale through evolution taking it less literally. This deity was omniscient, and knew exactly when it planted its first cell how it would evolve, not only to myself, but everything existing along with myself. It would have known exactly what decisions would face me, and would know the exact neural makeup would be trying to sort those decisions.

When making that first cell, or Adam, an omniscient being would have known how exactly a different makeup would have made the speed limit 95, or 105, and what the penalties for that would be. It would know and make creative decisions based on that outcome my inclination to speed. In other words, yes, a strictly controlled environment.

Mini D · « **Reply #68 on:** May 08, 2003, 12:10:03 AM »

Why does God "test" people if he already knows the outcome? Moses, the Israelites, Job. OK.. with Job it was "allowing him to be tested by satan"... but still... wasn't that a loaded scenario if he already knew what was going to happen? Does God really have anything to prove to Satan? Doesn't God only allow scenarios where he knows the outcome... the old "Dogma" bit?

Dunno... the free will vs omniscience/omnipotence debate is not nearly convincing enough from the Christian POV.

MiniD

Imp · « **Reply #69 on:** May 08, 2003, 06:39:44 AM »

If we all came from Adam and Eve,
then why arent we all inbreds?

I dont get people who need gods. Science has proven that we come from monkeys, and yet they still believe in a god that created us in is image, which begs the question:
Is god a monkey?

If gods knows all, then he knows what we will do.
Which means everything as allready been written.
Then how can we claim free will?
Its like one big movie, scripted by god.

X2Lee · « **Reply #70 on:** May 08, 2003, 07:17:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Imp
If we all came from Adam and Eve, then why arent we all inbreds?

I dont get people who need gods. Science has proven that we come from monkeys, a

which brings up the question, what happened to the monkeys?

They slo? They just liked bananas to much to evolve?

I will say that reading these BBs is a good case for peeps coming from monkeys.

But I just dont buy the fast monkey theory.

Dowding · « **Reply #71 on:** May 08, 2003, 07:32:18 AM »

There are already Chimpanzee groups that use multiple tools to prepare food / groom etc.

Give them a few hundred thousand years and they might just be using fire.

Imp · « **Reply #72 on:** May 08, 2003, 02:50:55 PM »

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Originally posted by X2Lee
which brings up the question, what happened to the monkeys?

They slo? They just liked bananas to much to evolve?

I will say that reading these BBs is a good case for peeps coming from monkeys.

But I just dont buy the fast monkey theory.

Fast monkey theory?

It took us thousands of years to evolve.
There wasnt anything fast about it.

Look at skeletons from every period one after the other, you will see small changes after small changes. After awhile you get us.

Of course some changes didnt work very well, which lead to extinction.

Evolution is just an extreme case of survival of the fittest. Well adapted individuals thrive while badly adapted individuals die.
The one that survive give there good genes to their children.

X2Lee · « **Reply #73 on:** May 08, 2003, 05:31:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Imp
Fast monkey theory?

It took us thousands of years to evolve.
There wasnt anything fast about it.

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No, the fast monkeys are the people now, the slow monkeys are still monkeys.... Go figure